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  1. Does a Troop often have more than one summer camp? Obviously it depends on the Troop and factors like the age range of the Scouts, how many adults participate, how big/active the Troop is and so on. Often, if a Troop has a second camp, it is geared more to older youth, be that a trip to a High Adventure base or just somewhere further away or with more unique activities. We typically have one summer camp per year, but then either a Sierra Trek (self organized backpack trip in the Sierra Nevada) or a Philmont trip (alternating years). This year our summer camp was at Emer
  2. I think I need to post a correction. I said that " local High Adventure programs ... often have a series of awards that Scouts can learn for going on local trails, climbing local peaks and so on". I am starting to realize that that might just be a local thing in the councils around us (Southern California). I have been searching to see if there are equivalent programs elsewhere around the US and so far drawn a blank.
  3. @The Latin Scot I'd initially assumed the same but now I'm starting to think the local awards from SDIC, GLAAC, WLAC, OCC etc are unique. I haven't managed to find any other council outside of Southern California that offers local awards. They often reference the 4 National HA Bases, maybe their local HA camps (although I've yet to find a good list of them all), the 50 miler, National Historic trails etc. But no local awards. FWIW a few of our Scouts recently earned the "WILDERNESS SLOT CANYONEERING" award from OCC. Impressive patch that! And a fantastic adventure trip to earn it too.
  4. Hi, I'm a Scouter with a Troop in San Diego Imperial council. Someone (thank you nameless person) has put together a guide to all the various High Adventure awards offered by councils in Southern California, up to the Southern Sierra Nevada http://highadventureawards.com/, also see all the awards at http://highadventureawards.com/PDFs/BoyScoutHighAdventureAwards.pdf In a spate of boredom/nosiness I started searching the web to see what awards are offered by other councils around the country. However so far I haven't found any. So my question is this: if Is SoCal unique in
  5. This could be where everyone gets hung up. The definition of atheism is "lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.", while an agnostic is defined as "a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.". Nothing about enforcing their beliefs on others. I've had people tell me that if a Life Scout, who has been a leader in their Troop, engaged in lots of public service, acted ethically and honorably who finds that they don't believe in any god, should be kicked out of Scouting and not allowed to submit for Eagle. That seems cruel to me, and contrary to other goals of Scouting.
  6. Did you read that article? The detail in it kind of says "it's complicated, and it has changed over time". FWIW I would never argue that religion should be eliminated from Scouting. Just that those without religion should not be excluded. And the original point was that excluding those without religion degrades the reputation of Scouting in todays society in a way that it didn't in 1908.
  7. This discussion is really about what Scouting ought to be, and although the religion discussion is on one level a distraction, on another it is very core. Someone who I respect described Scouting as "Where the kids of rich white guys get ahead". It has a reputation, however undeserved, of being an exclusive club for the male children of more affluent, predominantly white, predominantly Christian parents. My father was a Scoutmaster in post WW2 inner city Bristol. This was a city that was pretty much leveled by bombing and poor areas of the city were incredibly deprived. He saw Scouting as
  8. Organized religion is only at the core of US Scouting (note, not World Scouting) because Scouts BSA has chosen to make it so. The only part of US Scouting where it is explicit is in the Oath. The Scouts BSA Mission Statement is: The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law. (NB - One can make ethical choices without partaking in an organized religion) A Scout is Reverent (definition of Reverent is: feeling or showing deep and solemn respect.) O
  9. Bear in mind that my youth scouting was in the UK, while my adult leadership is in the US. My observation tends to agree. Much as I love the Eagle program, and the merit badge programs, I see a lot of obsession with rank advancement, getting the merit badges to get advancement, and a scouting career that ends with Eagle. To me, Scouting is about getting confidence in being in the outdoors, in trying new (adventurous) things. The rank advancements happen naturally and provide incentive to participate in the activities to learn the skill. I joined Scouts as a youth as I wanted to camp and h
  10. Rather than rain pants consider a rain kilt (or rain skirt depending on what you want to call it). Super quick to put on, no issue with boots. Of course despite being British and very familiar with weeklong horizontal rain I now live in SoCal where it last rained seriously in like 1987, so don’t trust anything I say.
  11. Thanks for the reply. FWIW Clinical trial volunteers are always paid. Not a lot, but that is the law. Part of taking on the risk I guess.
  12. I'm interested in opinions on the requirement. for the new EPA/BSA award. The requirement reads: During the 2021 calendar year, participate in an environmental/ public health community service project as part of an approved Scouting program totaling at least 6 hours. My question is this... If a Scout participates in a vaccine clinical trial and spends at least 6 hours doing so, would/should this count? I'm on the fence. They are absolutely doing good for the community, it absolutely is for public health. Its a little....unusual. And they are also compensated s
  13. When you get into the High Adventure awards and various other local awards and Scout specific third party awards there are probably hundreds or even more. I spend a decent amount of time searching for what awards are out there and even now I often trip over something I've never heard of before. I agree completely, why would you hide that? Give the Scouts some ideas, they can then choose if they use the ideas or not. But no harm and a lot of benefit to helping provide them.
  14. I guess it comes down to what you see the value of the award to be. Traditionally it is viewed as recognition for an achievement. And I don't want to discount that but to me that hides the true reason. The true reason IMHO is one of incentive, it encourages the person to strive for the award and in doing so it incentivizes them to do things they would not have otherwise done. The recognition gives something to the Scout who went backpacking, or rock climbing, who would likely have done that anyway. The incentive gets the Scout who wouldn't have thought about going backpacking to go out and do
  15. Not really a question, just a gripe on the requirements for the National Medal for Outdoor Achievement, specifically requirements 2 and 3: 2. Earn the National Outdoor Badge for Camping with a silver device. 3. Earn any two additional National Outdoor Badges, each with two gold devices. Seems pretty straightforward, but I dislike the single mindedness on camping. 125 nights is a lot, Achievable I know but is a Scout who is really into Conservation, or into horse riding or something less camping heavy less worthy? I also dislike that it encourages Scouts to focus on
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