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Wow, what a mess. Even with all of the accusations and counter-accusations, I suspect that there are still facts and details that are left out of the articles. And one or more of the players here must not be telling the truth. This part particularly caught my attention: I wonder who are "the Scouts" from whom the minister got his "instructions." The council? If that is the case, why would the council tell the CO that the pack disbanded and then issue a charter to a different CO for the same pack? I also suspect that the sale of "unofficial" popcorn probably played a small

I think it depends on Pack size. Let’s say I have a 40 Bear Scouts, 30 boys and 10 girls. I expect limited issues finding appropriate leadership. Now, in my Pack, I expect ~12-15 boy Bear Scouts and 2-3 girls. One of the girls has already been attending all of the Bear den meetings and outings as she is the twin sister of a current member and her mom is one of the den leaders. We already talked as a Pack and we do no plan on splitting that group. We already have a male and female den leader for the existing Bear den. When they move to Webelos we plan on making those two the same

Hawkwin, we seem to agree most of the time, but I can't join you on this one. I think it is appropriate to make a distinction between a youth who actually lives in another country and a U.S. resident who is able to participate in a program in another country. Plus, while it is great that her parents have the resources to fly her to Canada and back on a regular basis so she can get a "Boy Scout (ish) experience," what would the BSA say to a girl (with the same "timing" issue) whose family could not afford all that traveling? This decision has been controversial enough without adding in e

Well, according to this government agency, https://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp, the number of scout-age children has been relatively constant since 1972 so the comparison to the general population doesn't hold. To be fair, having membership drop by 50% with a constant membership base potential isn't good but suggesting it should have doubled is unrealistic. Change is hard but maybe the hardest part is getting the supporters of change to pick up the slack. If there is indeed a groundswell of support for this change, then there should also be a groundswell of ne

I think the point is that she potentially has "served her time" as a leader in the Canadian Boy Scouts. BSA already has a policy that would allow a scout living in Canada to apply what they already accomplished to the path of Eagle. That makes this more a question of whether her time served will be disqualified because she lived in the US or if it will be accepted under the spirit of the rules (as I see them).

The "truth" is often so wrapped up in hard feelings and twisted story versions it's hard to figure out. I often wonder if it's worth figuring out. Try to patch things together and find a path to move forward. It sounds like adults got so wrapped up in issues and differences and personal investment that they could not separate their feelings from working together. As such, the whole program crashed. Very sad to hear. Not the first time I've heard things like this happen though.

Yes but popped, ready to eat. I know youth groups that sell it for more $ unpopped!

Ok, Big Spoiler Alert for anyone who hasn't seen it. SSF, it is obvious that you have strong feelings about this and there probably isn't any point in debating it with you, so I won't try. We each see things "from a certain point of view," but it's not the same point. I do want to take issue with your characterization of Luke, and I realize that I am probably in the minority among Star Wars fans on this. Yes, for the vast majority of this movie he was a real downer, having basically given up on the galaxy and just living on his island catching fish and rejecting Rey's efforts to ge

Even if National has toned down the "family scouting" double-speak, it will take another year for it to wash out of the lexicon. And that will only happen if they promote a precise program names. That's why I've stuck with calling it BSA4G (Boy Scouts of America, for Girls) - and not BSA-Mixed, or B+GSA or FSA or Scouting USA or Pre-Ventureing or anything else that muddies the waters around program that the CSE described. BSA4G also captures the (debatable) notion that the new program offers girls something that they cannot get elsewhere as well as the (also debatable) assurance that trad

I wish National would NOT call this the "Family Scouting Pilot Program." Maybe to National, "family" means sons and daughters, but to most people "family" includes the parents as well. As far as I can tell the role of parents is not changing, either in Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts. There also are some statements in that article that are misleading, at best. Such as: They cannot earn the same ranks as Boy Scouts, "now." They will be able to starting sometime next year. I don't think the writer of the article knows the difference between Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts.

For the last couple years before retirement, Every morning before work, my brother went swimming at the YWCA in town. He had transferred and was staying at my house, and their pool was on the bus line. If the ladies were of such service to my brother, I don't mind being of such service to someone's sister/daughter. I wouldn't ask them to drop their "W" and I don't see young women asking this organization to drop its "B."

YWCA?? isn't that just for Girls? How in the world can you have a club just for Girls? Isn't that a bit sexist? Won't someone get offended? Isn't GSUSA still just for Girls? How can such a thing exist? It is the current year! Oh wait. . . Girls can have their own clubs, but boys can't. Got it. It is sad to see the greatest boys club ever die like this. . . A death by a million helicopters and power point slides. . . From an outdoor game ---->>>> to a boring indoor classroom of advancement.

Worked for Boys' Town.

or how about this: Boy Which says, "Welcome our old club. We won't keep you out of it by changing the name."

@WisconsinMomma, the fact that nobody can answer your question satisfactorily - where you can say "aha! That'll work!" - and are just giving you little things to bite off some edges, is likely proof that this whole concept of boy led is going to die. I mean, if nobody can come up with a simple explanation of why boy led should be supported then it just doesn't exist. Wouldn't it be nice to just say "here, read this book" and it would be a compelling description. It could be a story or an explanation or whatever might connect. But such a book doesn't exist. Nor does some training material nor

That's not what I heard. The speaker said there must be male and female leaders on every Cub Scout outing, unless, the outing is all boys or all girls. Then, the leadership may be all of the same gender. New_Bitmap_Image.bmp

They changed the uniform strip to just " Scouts" back in '72. Probably what they will do again. I don't care what they change it to so long as they change it. I don't want any confusion between the organization I once proudly belonged to, and what it is morphing into in its declining years. I'm exactly one year I plan to set up my old canvas tent, light a huge bonfire, uncork a bottle of old Irish whisky, and toast my old scouting friends, some dead some living. It's called a wake

Well, despite my sarcastic comment earlier and my general cynicism where National is concerned, I actually do think that National is going to issue some guidance regarding this subject, sometime before the date when young women are officially admitted as members at the 11-17 age level. I guess there is still a flicker of idealism left in me after all.

I met one "Eagle" who received it on appeal. The EBOR did not grant him Eagle because they found that the unit leaders, who also happened to be his parents and grandfather, pencil-whipped his Eagle. Long story short, he appealed to National and received it because 'you do not punish the Scout for the errrors of the adults involved" or words to that effect. District advancement committee resigned in protest.