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  2. Thunderbird

    Where would you go?

    If it jumps from $33 to $100, I see a lot of folks dropping. Lots of families (and units) simply cannot handle that much of an increase.
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  4. Jameson76

    What our the BSA priorities??

    In theory it does not, but in practice it is a facility that is not fully utilized, and takes resources from other areas. In general it puts the organization at financial risk. For a local unit, not so much impact until they see the update registration fee and may not realize that some portion of that is in fact a Summit Tax. Similar to a unit that goes all out for popcorn sales working to exceed last year, not necessarily a bad thing in general, but units, like organizations, only have so much bandwidth and human capital. They all work on the sales and then other parts of the program suffer. There must be a balance. When National has to move things, make events, and work to make Summit relevant, it's an issue. Over time it will impact the outdoor program as there are only so many resource to go around
  5. ParkMan

    What our the BSA priorities??

    These sound like good things for a pack to use. Can you not do this now?
  6. ParkMan

    What our the BSA priorities??

    I like a good rant as much as anyone, but how does this impact prioritizing an outdoor program? If anything, providing more facilities for advanced outdoor programming is a good thing. The location is within a day car drive for a very large percentage of the US population. That would be good for encouraging more outdoor use.
  7. Momleader

    What our the BSA priorities??

    Bring back the pioneering and Native American skills and games that were in the old Cub Program. Let them play games that they can get filthy dirty in. Our fall hike was based on the old Bear leaf ID elective and the kids had a blast stomping around to identify them with an arborist dad. One Grampa in the group found paw prints near the water and the cubs were trying to ID them back at the luncheon with the old stalking/tracking MB books the troop in town keeps on hand. parents need to let the youth fail - fail at making a fire, or a meal or having their tent set up so it doesn’t leak. It’s not like they’re being sent into the woods solo to fail - there are friends and adults there so it doesn’t get dangerous. STEM/STEAM is good but they get that at school. What about letting the kids make the connection from ‘old’ skills to the STEMy stuff themselves.
  8. Momleader

    Where would you go?

    Actually they are voting today I believe, announcement tomorrow if the They includes scout execs I know ours will vote for more $$. He has to protect his well over $200k every year (yes it’s that high. Saw & read the annual report). He actually makes more than a few superintendents of schools in the council area. no matter how large and well funded a unit is. The increase in fees will have a negative impact on the program that can be delivered at the local level. Something that seems to have been lost on the bombardiers of this latest adventure.
  9. Jameson76

    Where would you go?

    Actually they are voting today I believe, announcement tomorrow. We are a large well funded troop, but there is a huge difference between a $10 rate increase or a $70 rate increase. We charter about 100 Scouts and leaders, looking at what could be a $7,000 shortfall, so options are limited
  10. Jameson76

    What our the BSA priorities??

    Maybe trying to figure out how to extricate yourself from the financial disaster that is Summit Bechtel, that is $500 MM - $750 MM that will never be used to support local Scouting programs. Needed money that was poured (shoveled??) into a vanity project by the Chief Scout Executive and the National Board who are so far removed from actual Scouting it's like a they are in another organization.
  11. ParkMan

    What our the BSA priorities??

    The challenge with all the information available in our society today is that it's really difficult to make sense of questions like priorities. The BSA's priorities are different depending on who you talk to. If you're the Chief Scout Executive or the national board, what's more important - fostering an outdoor program that already exists or trying to stave off financial disaster, continual declines in membership, or abuse lawsuits? If you're a local Scout Executive, is it outdoor program or keeping your council camp open and stopping membership losses? If you're a Scoutmaster is it outdoor program, patrol method, or something else? I think it's part of our culture today that we all get online and discuss the topic of the day. Hopefully most Scouters are with it enough that they put all this in proper context.
  12. 5thGenTexan

    What our the BSA priorities??

    Popcorn.
  13. Momleader

    Where would you go?

    Considering tomorrow is the date we have been told we would hear by....every council is doing a good job keeping mum about it if they know yet. as to pack’s budgeting for this - it’s hard to budget for something like this when we were told NO New Increases. Then we get told as school starts, there’s an increase to insurance fees, and we might be raising the council fees now .... then the day after recruiting night ‘guess what?! National is raising the rates!!’ It’s a moving target and makes you dizzy trying to follow it after the dust settles if our pack doesn’t have to refund all the parents the fees paid for this year (19-20) I will probably stick around and keep finding adult training like Baloo/owls for the pack leaders even going out of Council when need arises and planning kid friendly stuff for the remaining cubs to do
  14. ParkMan

    Where would you go?

    Ok - then we should start preparing for $100.
  15. Eagle94-A1

    Where would you go?

    One SE told his council to be prepared for up to $100.
  16. ParkMan

    Where would you go?

    @gpurlee & @Cubmaster Pete, I have absolutely no idea what the increase will be. Like everyone I hear it is significant. Perhaps going with an estimate of $60 a year for now would be a good estimate. National may come back with less. If they come back with more, then you're maybe a little closer?
  17. desertrat77

    What our the BSA priorities??

    When outdoor adventure was the cornerstone of the BSA, adults knew what they signed up for. They'd either be outdoors as a leader, or in a support capacity that directly helped folks get outdoors. Not so today. Now you can have a long career in the BSA, as a pro or volunteer, and not have to "deal" with outdoor "stuff." Sure, you might have to gut out two weekends for WB, but after that the coast is pretty clear. Clean uniforms, lots of meetings and conferences, etc. Hike 5 miles into camp? Chop wood with an axe? Start a fire in the rain? Cook a meal on the coals with a couple mess kits? Build pioneering projects? Sleep in a tent? These experiences are definitely not stressed or prioritized by most above unit level today. They are just quaint notions from yesterday, something to keep the scouts amused until they start the fast track to Eagle. Then it's SUV time, driving scouts to the local university on Saturdays, go through the assembly line, and leave with a hand full of merit badges at the end of the day. Lunch provided. The only thing the scout has to do is put on their uniform in the morning. The adults do everything. Less risk for Irving TX to worry about. OA is going in the same direction. Sure, we have our high adventure bases, but those are cash cows (some of them). So Irving is willing to assume the risk there. Whatever the priorities of the BSA may be, it's safe to say that their best selling product--the great outdoors at the unit level--has been shoved to the corner of the store, bottom shelf, covered with cob webs. And if the outdoor adventure is not the top priority of the BSA, it's really not the BSA any more.
  18. karunamom3

    Where would you go?

    And for us, a brand new troop & pack, this could really hurt. We don't have a lot of money to begin with. I keep thinking it will be alright and everything will work out in the end. Maybe that is naive, I don't know. I love scouting. My youngest is only a Tiger and already plans to get her Eagle so I have a long way to go with the BSA and don't plan on leaving. I was quite surprised the other day when a Scouts BSA scout said to me that it really doesn't matter what rank he is because BSA is closing soon anyway. I was shocked. His dad is his SM. I wonder what conversations they have had, if any.
  19. DuctTape

    What our the BSA priorities??

    That is why I think the best "how to manual" for scouts is the original Fieldbook. A patrol can start on chapter 1, do the activity (pow-wow I think they were called). Then go to the next activity. If a new scouter needed a "how to", I direct them to this and have them hand it to their PL.
  20. Jameson76

    What our the BSA priorities??

    Getting the push to be 100% trained in the district, which is an admirable goal, so took the Merit Badge Counselor on-line training. more just fluff, very little nuts and bolts. That's the same comment most of our leaders made with the "NEW" YPT, it was more theory and convincing us that endangering children was bad and less about how to be compliant and "DO" YPT. The old training was really applicable, DO this DON'T do this etc etc. When we do training for the Troop Leaders our emphasis is on them having the Scouts DO stuff. When doing fire building we do not need Scouts to understand combustion, ignition points of materials, etc. Maybe later, but let them strike some matches and see that logs do not in fact make kindling. Focus on DOING, Focus on getting out in the woods and letting the Scouts be Scouts.
  21. mrkstvns

    Team Up!

    ...and for some reason, I had a brain fart and forgot to include the link so you could see the source...this was 2 troops in Connecticut... https://patch.com/connecticut/woodbury-middlebury/middlebury-boy-scout-pasta-dinner-coming
  22. SteveMM

    Team Up!

    I believe that Scoutmaster's name was Caractacus Pott
  23. qwazse

    What our the BSA priorities??

    Twice this week (once on in person and once online), I heard from leaders, that when they started, they took all the online training and still didn't know how to be a tiger DL! We have a thread from a scouter who is trying to outline "how to start a unit" and is doing it from Troop experience. It seems like we got into the habit of thinking the tail should wag the dog. It's a far cry from "Get the boys together, read the book, pick the next chapter, do what it says."
  24. Eagledad

    What our the BSA priorities??

    I see this trend on this forum. The discussions are less about working with the youth and more on policy and guidelines. The new female leaders here seem the most involved with getting to core scouting. Good for them. Remember when the popular theme for staying on the path was, "it's all for the boys. Um, and girls". There is so much noise at the adult level now that the youth part of the youth scouting is taking a back seat. I'm here for any discussions with the youth part. I love the youth scouting part. Our family made this very decision with the YMCA sports after a 2 hour YPT type training (lecture). I know the training is for protection, but it had such a social engineering feel to it. Barry
  25. After some local meetings and conversations with local professionals, I am curious what are the actual BSA priorities now? It seems that apparently our main focus and purpose is YPT, it currently defines the movement; then maybe training, it is most important; then making the Bechtel Summit property an essential asset (hey let's move everything there) so it can be protected in a bankruptcy; then remember it's all about being an Eagle Scout, or maybe the new background checks, if you don't toe the line, see ya; and just shut up and pay the new fee as Scouting is a great value; then let's make sure we add girls (which is fine); and remember No Bullying; don't forget that Family camping is the best thing ever; we need to add kindergartners; and there is STEM; and etc etc etc Seems that National and Local Councils have moved away from focusing on Outdoor Programs and letting youth learn and grow. You remember, patrols and youth led activities. Successful Units continue that focus and honestly much of this does not impact us directly, but long-term it will be harder to bring in new youth. Families will look at all of the red tape, and after sitting through the 2 hour YPT training and go...yeah...maybe not.
  26. Jameson76

    Advice for a new wood badger

    Weird part was the camporee wasn't at the restaurant, it was at a church nearby the Restaurant. We got up there and found all the garbage in there and the troops decided that it'd be a good service project for us to take the garbage down to the city dump. So we took the half-a-ton of garbage, put it in the back of an SUV, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction, and headed on toward the city dump. Well, we got there and there was a big sign and a chain across the dump sayin', "this dump is closed on account of the camporee" and we'd never heard of a dump closed for a camporee, and with tears in our eyes, we drove off into the sunset lookin' for another place to put the garbage. We didn't find one till we came to a side road, and off the side of the side road was another fifteen-foot cliff, and at the bottom of the cliff was another pile of garbage. We decided that one big pile was a lower impact on the environment than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up, what with it being more than 4 feet and us not having climbing gear, we decided to throw ours down. That's what we did We all drove back to the church, had a Camporee Dutch Oven dinner that couldn't be beat, had a campfire with skits and whatnot, went to sleep, and didn't get up until the next morning, when we got a phone call from Officer Obie....and you can sort of guess that is spiraled out of control from there.
  27. mrkstvns

    Team Up!

    A wise old scoutmaster used to love saying, "Team work makes the dream work." I have no idea whether he made up that quote or borrowed it, but the truth behind it is apparent in myriad situations (including fundraising). If you've got an idea for a fundraising activity, but you think that your unit might be too small to support it, a good solution is to simply team up with another similarly sized unit and work together, then split the proceeds. As I was reading some news articles about scouting, I came across this story about 2 BSA troops that were working together to host a Spaghetti Dinner. Sounds like a win-win fundraiser all the way around!
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    • If it jumps from $33 to $100, I see a lot of folks dropping.  Lots of families (and units) simply cannot handle that much of an increase.
    • In theory it does not, but in practice it is a facility that is not fully utilized, and takes resources from other areas.  In general it puts the organization at financial risk.  For a local unit, not so much impact until they see the update registration fee and may not realize that some portion of that is in fact a Summit Tax. Similar to a unit that goes all out for popcorn sales working to exceed last year, not necessarily a bad thing in general, but units, like organizations, only have so much bandwidth and human capital.  They all work on the sales and then other parts of the program suffer.  There must be a balance. When National has to move things, make events, and work to make Summit relevant, it's an issue.  Over time it will impact the outdoor program as there are only so many resource to go around
    • These sound like good things for a pack to use.  Can you not do this now?
    • I like a good rant as much as anyone, but how does this impact prioritizing an outdoor program?  If anything, providing more facilities for advanced outdoor programming is a good thing.  The location is within a day car drive for a very large percentage of the US population.  That would be good for encouraging more outdoor use.
    • Bring back the pioneering and Native American skills and games that were in the old Cub Program.   Let them play games that they can get filthy dirty in. Our fall hike was based on the old Bear leaf ID elective and the kids had a blast stomping around to identify them with an arborist dad.   One Grampa in the group found paw prints near the water and the cubs were trying to ID them back at the luncheon with the old stalking/tracking MB books the troop in town keeps on hand. 
        parents need to let the youth fail - fail at making a fire, or a meal or having their tent set up so it doesn’t leak.   It’s not like they’re being sent into the woods solo to fail - there are friends and adults there so it doesn’t get dangerous. 
        STEM/STEAM is good but they get that at school. What about letting the kids make the connection from ‘old’ skills to the STEMy stuff themselves. 
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