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    • WAIAnakwsu: Here is my confirmed 2nd grade photo for comparison. I would have been 7 yrs old.
    • WAIAnakwsu: THANK YOU for your perspective. You're right. It would make sense a photo was taken of me and my mother because it was a new thing. That photo was taken at my Grandparents house, so that would be the novelty of just joining the Scouts. I was worried it took me 3 years to earn my Wolf diamond, but I could be mischievous at times. I think that's why my mother joined me into Scouts. lol You're also right, I do kinda look slightly younger in that photo, even though those photos are about a year apart. That makes sense that the date stamp is when the photo was printed and not when it was taken. It was the norm back then to allow film to be left in the camera for months if not years. Thanks for shedding light on that memory.  The vintage boys scout link was fantastic. So I could confirm my Wolf rank goal was started with the Cub Scout Wolf 1969 Handbook? 
    • I love a good puzzle.  If it helps… Back then the earliest you could have joined the Cubs was your 8th birthday (Feb 1969) or the start of 3rd grade in 1969. Source:  https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth331783/m1/15/?q=cub scouts The photos were taken on different dates and to my eye the boy (you) in the photo with his Den Mother (your Mom) looks younger than the boys in the other two photos.  There is no rank patch in the photo with your Mom, which would indicate the picture was taken soon after you joined the Cub Scouts Assuming 5/1972 is the printing date; perhaps the photo was printed later then actually taken? The only indication of rank is the 2nd photo which includes the top corner of a rank insignia.  At a minimum it’s Wolf, but a second diamond would have to be visible to confirm Bear.  1967-1971 source:    https://www.sageventure.com/history/cub/diamonds.html
    • So far, I've studied everybody's replies and done more research online. So here is what I've put together so far as a timeline. It appears that my uniform has defiantly been confirmed to be a Wolf (yellow neckerchief). So I decided to join the Cub Scouts in 2nd grade (1968 to 1969) in order to start out as a Wolf. Unfortunately, the above 2 individual shots of me are not date stamped. The one with my mother is date stamped 1972. I noticed I did not have the red Wolf rank patch on my uniform in that photo. Either it wasn't sewn on or it took me from 1969 to 1972 to earn that red Wolf patch as shown in the middle photo. Wow, it took  3 years to complete my Wolf rank. Seems like a long time? I guess I never completed the Bear rank as I do not have any photos of the Bear rank patch on my uniform.  I'm currently following some leads on the unit number patch. I'll keep  everybody posted.
    • It seems our professionals (at both the national and at least one council level) have forgotten the Scout Motto, or perhaps never took it to heart. We have a new Council Executive and he attended a council training class for the fall school recruiting season. One of his staff gave a briefing on the new fee structure, and the new rolling renewal. When asked about how that renewal will work he passed the question to the Scout Executive, who had to dance around the fact that he did not have the answers. This was in spite of the fact that he opened with stories of returning from the national meeting recently.  The fact that those answers were not available at the national meeting when the new program was announced speaks volumes to the professionalism of national staff, but more importantly, they were not prepared. In spite of that they announced the program.  Our local staff then was put in the position. of not being prepared to explain the program to the affected units, and while national needs to be held accountable for only giving half measure, our local professionals also had the responsibility to hold national to account for that failure rather than just delivering the message. If that had happened, they would not have to be held to account by their units for not having the answers.   So our Council Executive was put on the spot, publicly.  Instead of simply admitting that he did not have the answers when asked, he gave permission for the units to "vent", and reminded everyone that the programs was going in place in less than 60 days, like it or not. I'm not going to go through the 12 points of the Scout Law, but that missed a lot of them. We teach the Scouts in our units that leadership is about responsibility and accountability, and that the most effective leaders are collaborative and lead by example. The examples our volunteers were shown at that training event reflected none of that.  If this was an isolated incident, it could be framed as an outlier, rushing in order to get improved funding in place. But it is not. There has been a pattern of incomplete programs being announced from national that have real-world consequences for unit leaders, chartering organizations and councils.  Our nation is in desperate need of effective leaders everywhere, and one of the most reliable sources of that leadership no longer seems up to the task.   
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