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  1. The problem is that it is local interpretation, and some have a very concrete interpretation.. They will have a problem with a Buddist faith, or wiccan or my son's belief that is more with Greek mythology.. There was a thread a little while back and one person did have a hard time with the concept and felt there had to be some sort of measure and pass/fail for a person's belief.. Some beliefs were too far out there, had no logic, or were too close to being the beliefs of a atheist..
  2. I agree with Merlyn, for Christians the Bible has been interpreted and re-interpreted by men through the years, the moral code has changed through the years and the bible has countless different interpretations for each denomination.. The moral code of the bible is not a constant.. Other holy books, or folk lore are completely different and they too can be interpreted differently by many people. If you are religious but don't like the moral code of your religion, well just find a different religion that is more in line with your beliefs. I also disagree that atheists choose not to foll
  3. Well although morality, Is a standard, set by the group of people or community (religiously they are set by the groups interpretation of their holy book, or holy word, or folk lore). The only way you as a person are able to follow the morals you are given by this community, are by learning them and having your conscience guide you on the right path to take.. If the holy word on morality were just magically there and everyone had it, there would be no need for churches, no difference in interpretation of what is morally correct and atheists would magically have the same moral code that you hav
  4. I disagree, because they can take a moral code of an organization (like scouting) or the moral code that was taught to them by their parents (how many of us have had mom or dad chirping in our ear if we even contemplated something that went against how we were raised?).. Religion has also many different denominations and a lot are due to one denomination splitting off into two due to disagreement on what is important or what the true meaning of something in some holy book is all about.. People choose a religion that is closest to their moral beliefs.. If they at some point disagree they
  5. Yeah I agree with Rick-in-CA, we are not very good at the understanding of reverent... My point exactly... With the words of Merlyn I would say an understanding and practice of the word reverent is needed from both sides.
  6. I believe an atheist can be as moral as a religious person.. And compared to some religious people certain atheists may even be 100% more moral.. Religion does not guarantee morality.. Some people may need a higher being who will smile on them or crush them, or a guarantee for a spot in heaven if they play nice on earth in order to behave well while on earth. Others, just need empathy for their fellow man or the animals or the planet, a wish and desire to leave the world a better place for the next generation some of whom may be their offspring.. Scouting itself and following the laws
  7. I did not say they paid attention to volunteers of BSA.. I said they paid attention to the public opinion in their area.. Who will donate? (or not and why), Who will start a new charter (or not and why), Who has boys of age to recruit.. (If not interested, why).. If they are getting enough then the "No's" don't figure as much, if they are not the "No's" become reason to want change.. Here in the East, the "No's" defiantly helped convince councils it was time to get behind and back change..
  8. Councils in my experience pretty much echo the opinions of the community around them.. There major push is for donations and membership.. If they have problems with either due to a policy, they will side with a policy change, if they have support of the community due to a policy they will support the policy.. Wishy Washy... yes.. But it is what it is..
  9. Personally I think the statement is well worded and finally reflects what scouting has always stated it was but was not following, that they are now nonsectarian in its attitude toward religious training. And perhaps if your not a religion and can not deny people due to religious beliefs (ie. you have conducted yourself with respect for everyone around you, but since I know your a homosexual you can not be an BSA Adult leader).. But, if someone wants to be an adult leader (or is an adult leader) and they are "a leader bragging in front of the scouts and others about some kind of affair; or
  10. I heard those comments a lot in these forums.. Many did not want us to stay and push for change, but to leave and suggested we start our own group.. I do not think the answer then was to try to push us out, I don't think the answer now is for us to try to push you out.. But, I do think the answer is within everyone personally as to what is the best way for them to either figure out how to continue on and be true to your own convictions, or not.. No one can tell you what is right for you personally. All I can say is many of us who pushed for this change found reasons to stay with BSA and pu
  11. I have been reading this interaction about civil law and cannon law for a page or two.. I guess, I am totally confused about the debate, it must be more then the fact that courts can put a dispute with the Catholic Church on trial, and consider the Catholic church in the wrong and liable whether monetarily or with prison time.. Many of the child molestations by catholic priests and the cover up, where all done in civil court and Catholic church ended up paying a ton of dough for their actions, and several priest wound up with jail time.. Catholic Church has done ALOT to change their process
  12. Still say no comparison between Divorced, unwed cohabitation and homosexuals.. Divorced/unwed can just live their lives and so if Catholic they may not get communion, if not Catholic they don't even get that to tell them someone thinks it's a sin.. Most divorced/unwed even if religious will not consider their lifestyle sinful.. So, no, the reason they were accepted as scout leaders is not because they are sorry for their sins and have repented.. Currently homosexuals can not "just live their lives", and just be denied communion. I am not saying the Catholic church can not have th
  13. As for the Catholic church they have the right to refuse to accept him as a leader in their troop, just as they have the right to not accept anyone for any reason.. I half believe the comment "When WLKY asked the Archdiocese of Louisville, if homosexuals will be allowed as scout leaders, a spokesperson said "it depends.".. I could see more conservative Catholic Churches simply not accepting any homosexuals as an adult leader.. It is really unclear what the Catholic position will be, but I expect it will be fine with some guidelines on how their Catholic Churches can conduct themselves.. It
  14. Very true SpEdScouter, that is the reason there are girls who want to be in boy scouts not girl scouts, because girl scouts does not offer them what they want. That is also the reason co-ed boy scouts will probably have little effect on the membership numbers of girl scouts, because a lot of those in girl scouts are in a group they prefer.
  15. Oh yes, a pie emotions would work just fine.. I was just thinking of what other forums I belong to have in their bag of tricks, so it was cake, beer and martini glasses, also some shamrocks and stars and rainbows (but those might be a little too girlie for BSA, and right now some would protest the use of the rainbow emotion when trying to send a peace offering..)
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