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    • Concerning this specific case I know only a few more details since the victims immediately dropped out they didn't desire any contact with the troop and I had to respect that.   I was told that the scouts family moved away but I don't know if it was motivated by the abuse or unrelated.  I also wonder if they are among the 82,000.   As to the ex-ASM he completely dropped off the local radar screen. Which was wise considering that there were quite a number of young men in the area who would have liked nothing more than to meet him in a dark alley somewhere.  Or even a brightly lit street. He had brought unbelievable shame and dishonor to the eagle badge and our order. Much more importantly we considered the young scouts as our little brothers.  I did talk to three Scouters from other troops who had gone through some training courses with him.  "Just plain Weird, a bit strange, and decidedly odd" were the words they used.   Yes, the other scouts were asked. And we asked every parent in the troop if their sons had said or done anything that in hindsight sounded at all as if something had happened.  From what we could glean that horrible night was the only case. Although there were other cases where the things he said to the scouts were way out of bounds.  Hunting for prey I guess.   Still haunts me.
    • In this situation you did the correct thing by calling the police but were the two boys offered paid for counseling/therapy to help them overcome the trauma that they endured?  I wonder if they are now part of the 82,000 claimants? I also wonder how many other young boys did he abuse in and out of the BSA?  Unfortunately too often the acts were not interrupted and when they did come to light the abusers were not reported to the authorities.  In my personal situation at least 11 boys were suspected or known to have been abused but for some reason no one ever asked me.   I would like to add one more thing.  Were the other scouters in the troop individually and privately asked if this ASM had ever done something similar to them?  It would have been rare that the ASM was caught the first time.  Was all of the parents of the scouts in that troop made aware of what had happened? Was the ASM ever involved with another troop before this incident and or did he have access to young boys from other troops?
    • Circa 1980 a young(21) ASM was thankfully interrupted while doing extremely inappropriate things with two young (11) scouts.  Parents were called. Police were called. Council was called.  The parents refused to press charges, and tearfully begged the Scouters NOT to let any one else know. " For the boys sake"   So what were we to do?  Personally I wanted to beat the perp within an inch of his life, not just see him kicked out of Scouting.  But I figured that the parents had the right to have the first crack at him, and if they declined in order to protect their children from the social stigma which was sadly the case for victims back then, then I had no right to   
    • The files were kept secret until 2012 when the Oregon Supreme Court ordered them to made public.  That is only 9 years ago.  Was it a different time in 1981, or 1991, or 2001, or 2011?  The Boy Scouts of America did not advocate to it's membership to go to the police when knowledge of abuse happened period. There were congressional hearings in 1973 and child sexual abuse was part of the hearing.  Yes in the latest incident with the videotaping the police were called but I would bet you donuts to dollars if the pressure wasn't on the BSA it would have been covered up like so many other incidents.  One other thing I would like to say is please do not use the line "at the expense, for the most part. the current youth in the program".  In my opinion it makes the current youth to be victims of the survivors when if anything what the are losing is due to the past and recent leadership of the BSA.
    • For the most part, this subject was hushed and Not discussed, and authorities also chose to not believe or make excuses because so and so was a good guy, as most knew.  Parents often chose to not press the issue due to the embarrassment and community tendency to call it he said, he said or it is a kid making things up.  It was not right, but that was the world most of us live in.  Now, when it did actually get beyond the disbelief and was taken seriously, the laws were not yet particularly strong, and reinforced to some extent the idea of not believing.  Again, unless their was absolute proof, it was not taken as seriously as it should have been, just like rape of women and even spousal abuse.  So, today, we are trying to fix something that cannot be fixed, and doing it at the expense, for the most part. the current youth in the program, and even the mental state of the victims.  I think that it what most of us that are so awful are referring to as different standards.  None of us thinks it should have been brushed aside, but few thought about it the way it is looked at today.  Bye, no more attempt to explain.
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