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I meant in no way a slight. I was responding to the words you wrote. "... AT&T broke itself up ...". It was a historic, groundbreaking antitrust. Larger than standard oil. It's why I added "... based on settlement of a massive anti-trust lawsuit. " ... I can't imagine how this case was managed. At least BSA's legal case has databases, modern word processors, etc. AT&T had mimeograph machines and file cabinets. I wish we were on the same camp outs. It would be fascinating to hear the stories and history. Absolutely fascinating. I grew up listening and watching these discussions. Many engineers and lawyers in my family. Decades watching the news, 60 minutes, Ted Koppel, etc. ... "he pointed out that there was no drive to break-up the System, from Justice or the public. The drive was to allow competition on supplying "stuff' to the telephone business - largely meaning the System - breaking the culture that almost everything purchased by the operating companies and Long Lines came from Western Electric, "the supply arm of the Bell System." . That is the understanding I had. I'm not sure the public really understood except that AT&T was massive. I'm too young to remember "AT&T values of service uber alles". I only remember the other side of no one can fight Ma Bell. -
I could not find the quote you posted, but it's been a long night in an ice storm. You are right about lighting the candle instead of curing the darkness. When I was teaching SM Specific, the two questions that came up often during the course were discipline and dealing with bad leadership. The challenge for adults is developing the patience to not take over before the scouts learns enough about themselves to know where they have to change. It's not just leadership that is the challenge, it's personal habits of behavior. I found that most scouts will accomplish the will of the adults if they are pushed hard enough. But, giving the adults what they want doesn't help the scout grow or change. In fact, the scout is likely to resent the adults so much that they react in the opposite direct and rebel. Rebellion is typically the reaction of being forced to do something that they don't understand. The adults, as you say, need to give just enough light to the darkness to give confidence for the next step forward. The scout must be the one who decides to take another step forward, or a step back. A positive step forward maybe when the scout decides to withdraw from the responsibility because they found their limits. Maturity isn't instant, it has to grow. It has to be the scouts decision to have a positive impact on their growth. Barry -
By Double Eagle · Posted
This was a topic of discussion last January where our LDS troops folded. Their CO was the church and kept the assets to use in their similar program. I don't see too much of an issue with a civil meeting between the unit and CO. Many times the CO chooses to just let things go as they don't want to store old gear. Event he troop flag, purchased by the CO, has been a long discussion. I'd like to hear what the LDS leaders experienced last January. -
By FaithfulScouter · Posted
In my experience, the many pleas for volunteers in the Troop went unanswered. The long term Unit Commissioner had been absent, and didn't see any possible areas of concern because the Scoutmaster was 'one of my guys'. In reality, the Unit was a mess. Purportedly 'boy run' but the limited number of adults did everything. The patrols and PLC were in name only. And training? What training? Why bother when we've been doing it like this 'for years'? Who has the luxury of succession planning when you can barely keep a Unit above water? So of course you give adults guilt and ultimatums to keep the Unit chartered. And that's how you wind up with inappropriate candidates for adult leaders because no one else would step up... -
By CynicalScouter · Posted
I think the point is that as horrible as the SM (who was serving as the MBC for the merit badge) has treated the scout that at this point, that if the unit really is folding and the SM really is simply refusing to work with the scout that no additional force will help. No one is going to physically take this person's hand and make them sign the card. If the situation is as screwed up as you say, and the scout really did do all the work, then the next MBC in the next unit you go to will likely be willing to accept and sign off on the prior work (which they are allowed to under Guide to Advancement).
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