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    • We've had a number of scouts over the years who were not US citizens.  We generally left it up to them how to handle the Pledge.  Most of them just salute and say it in rote without thought just like the rest of the scouts.  A few would salute but stay silent because that called the least attention to themselves.  A couple more just stood respectfully. Requiring the citizen of another country to pledge allegiance to the US seems silly at best.  Requiring a scout to enunciate an oath or prayer that is actually in violation of their religion seems like a compete break with the 12th point of the Scout law.  When I attend religious services other than my own I act respectfully, but I don't recite any prayers that are in contradiction with my own beliefs, and I can't imagine that anyone would expect me to.   Jehovah Witnesses are no less American and no less patriotic just because they refrain from taking oaths.  
    • I agree.  He was a person of his time.  If he were alive today he would be a person of our time, and his opinions would not necessarily be the same.
    • It isn't necessarily anybody's "failure."  It's just the way things are.
    • Just a thought, but does part of the demise of the OA have to do with poor leadership skills of the scouts? I look at my local chapter's OA and the scouts that show up are good scouts, but they're all shy, timid, not ready to take charge. If they had confidence in how to get things done there are adults that would like to help them out. Instead they're kind of waiting for someone to tell them what to do. The result is any other scout that comes to check it out doesn't really see a reason to stick around. Would leadership development within OA help?
    • Thanks @desertrat77 & @Eagle94-A1 - this helps me to understand better. Our troop currently has some more active OA members.  I think we've got some Scouts who like Scouting, but are looking for something a little bigger than the troop experience.  They seem to like the ability to help organize the District Camporee.  Another thing I hear is that it gives them another group of older Scouts to spend time with. Since I'm not an OA member I can't really comment on the state of the OA.  From what I see here locally some boys like being involved at that next level of Scouting - so perhaps there's a good opportunity here.  Get the OA chapters to focus around bringing together great campers and focus there.  More advanced OA trips full of older scouts.  I've got to imagine that no-one is going to stop an OA chapter from doing that.  Yeah, perhaps the books and events are all focused differently - but I've got to think you can add new elements. Sorry if this doesn't make any sense.  I just hear the concerns and think about all the possibilities we have to do really fun things with these Scouts.  I get that if we think about it from the perspective of what we used to do, but no longer can, it's discouraging.  But, when I think about it from the perspective of all the possibilities I'm encouraged. If we really do have a society of of our strongest Scouts looking for a new purpose - what a great opportunity.  
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