yknot Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 In an email I received today from the state Methodist conference it includes a notation that the UMC/BSA Affiliation and Facility Use agreements have been finalized as of December 15th. Final versions to be used going forward are on the methodistscouter.org website. I've read these several times and perhaps I missed it but I was struck by the high cap of $7.5 million per incident/$23 million total for general liability claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACAN Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Any feedback on how this went or is going in your local councils? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thGenTexan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, PACAN said: Any feedback on how this went or is going in your local councils? I was told by the DE that the general liability policy from BSA was going to cover us for the facilities use agreement,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACAN Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I was just wondering how many are still meeting at their old UMC churches (FUA) how many were able to find new sponsors how many are sponsored by their council how many unfortunately folded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KublaiKen Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 We and our "affiliated" Pack have found a new CO, the Episcopalian church a few doors down. For now at least we are under a facilities use agreement with our old UMC, but the plan is to move over to the Episcopalian church over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thGenTexan Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 4 hours ago, PACAN said: I was just wondering how many are still meeting at their old UMC churches (FUA) how many were able to find new sponsors how many are sponsored by their council how many unfortunately folded We moved two troops and a pack to a local American Legion Post, New COR is an Eagle from the Troop. Aside from getting the right people to sign the right place and get all the paper work straight x 3 it was a pretty seamless endeavor. We own our meeting place, so the facilities use agreement with the Methodist Church is to use their sanctuary for COH a couple of times a year and they have a big gym with a kitchen we use sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcousino Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 "We own our meeting place, " Not sure how that's works as the troop can own nothing as it a fully owned part of it charter partner. I let some of the real lawyers here explain how that would be possible as the troop is not is own personality. all property belongs to the charter group or council if the group folds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEEagle74 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I'm the current Board of Trustees Chair for a UMC congregation that chartered a Troop for 101 years. We also chartered a Cub Scout Pack and a Girl's Troop. In the past, I served as Scoutmaster for the Troop (among many other Unit, District, and Council positions) and my wife (a former Scout Office employee) acted as the COR for the church. The Troops and Pack elected to execute an Affiliation Agreement with the church, with the Council acting as Chartering Organization. The cutover process proved difficult due to the on-line Recharter web application's inability to process the new Affiliation Agreement cutover process. Fortunately, one of my wife's superpowers is the ability to make heinously-designed web applications work. Prior to the cutover, our church was one of the most conscientious COs you will find. For the last 15 years or so, church members served as SM and/or ASM, with some youth from the church belonging to the units. The Council, the new CO, is headquartered 100 miles away. One of the BSA execs in Texas has been the acting SE for the Council for a couple of years, supported by an office employee who acts as registrar and administrative support for the Council. The Council employs no DEs and is awaiting a shotgun marriage to an adjacent Council (or Councils). There were only 2-3 UMC COs in the Council, so we don't have many peers. Bottom line: the units traded a quality CO for the illusion of a CO. Cool. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Interesting side note... Gloversville, NY - Town stepped up to become Troop 7's new charter organization as the Foothills Methodist Church which had been CO for 60 years could no longer perform the duties. “Basically, it’s (Troop 7) going to have to be completely redone from the ground up. Where it stands, they have three active Boy Scouts in it, and no troop committee, so we’re going to be starting-over new.”, according to Town Clerk (and new COR) Jenni Mazur. “We will be discussing giving them a meeting place within the city. This is going to be a combined thing where boys from Gloversville and Johnstown will be joining.” The city must pay a $75 annual fee and she and Mayor Vince DeSantis must undergo Boy Scouts of America certification training to serve on the newly reconstituted Boy Scout Troop 7 committee, which will consist of seven members. More at source: https://leaderherald.com/gloversville-local-news-johnstown-local-news/local-news/2023/01/gloversville-set-to-charter-boy-scout-troop-7/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KublaiKen Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I wonder if there will be a challenge since BSA requires a belief in a god. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) June 7, 2023: Following text was extracted from article: https://www.umnews.org/en/news/um-men-is-on-the-move UM Men’s relationship with Boy Scout troops has also been overhauled in the aftermath of the settlement of abuse cases, and faith could take a larger role in Scouting programs. Boy Scouts The United Methodist Church’s relationship with the Boy Scouts was imperiled when that organization entered child sex abuse-related bankruptcy proceedings, and the denomination agreed to contribute $30 million to a $2.4 billion fund to settle last year with more than 82,000 sexual abuse survivors. A new affiliation agreement was developed to define the roles and responsibilities of the players in local Scout troops — the national Boy Scouts organization, local churches and others. Insurance and indemnity responsibilities have been spelled out. “Programmatically, we’re working on a program called The Shepherd Church,” said Steve Scheid, director for Scouting ministries. “You pay a little bit to help the United Methodist Men organization continue to develop resources, and we provide those. You don’t know how to help kids start to pray? We provide prayer templates that help you to be able to reach a broad audience with the connection through prayer.” Other curriculum will be developed to complement with scouting activities like hiking, camping and rappelling, he said. “These devotionals directly connect to what you’re doing,” Scheid said. “So that (those) who are experiencing the rappelling experience, we talk about the word ‘trustworthy.’ I've got the rope. I've got you. If you slip and fall, I got you. How does that relate to God?’” Edited June 7, 2023 by RememberSchiff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson76 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 3 hours ago, RememberSchiff said: we’re working on a program called The Shepherd Church,” said Steve Scheid, director for Scouting ministries. Other curriculum will be developed to complement with scouting activities like hiking, camping and rappelling, he said. Would this be an addition to BSA Scout program OR instead of Scouts (BSA)? 3 hours ago, RememberSchiff said: “You pay a little bit to help the United Methodist Men organization continue to develop resources, and we provide those. You don’t know how to help kids start to pray? We provide prayer templates that help you to be able to reach a broad audience with the connection through prayer.” Wonder who "You" is and who are you paying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwazse Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 3 hours ago, RememberSchiff said: …. You don’t know how to help kids start to pray? We provide prayer templates that help you to be able to reach a broad audience with the connection through prayer.” … “So that (those) who are experiencing the rappelling experience, …’” Please let the devotion be titled “What To Pray When You See Your Rope Fray!” 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Jameson76 said: Would this be an addition to BSA Scout program OR instead of Scouts (BSA)? Wonder who "You" is and who are you paying? Hopefully more knowledgeable members will provide answers, I have only guesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcousino Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 It would be interesting to see if any units By UMC move to Trail Life like the Baptist did John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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