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The COR is what they choose to be. They can be a paper official, or take an active role, be there to help make decisions. "Offishully" , the COR and IH decide and approve who is and who is not the Unit Leaders. It is their signature on the appointments and applications, yes? When Chicago Council set about disassembling their camps, it was the volunteers that got the Council Voting Members (the CORs) together and embarrassed the Chicago Council leaders AND National, who thought they had a slam dunk in selling off all the camps. Owasippee is still there, thanks to the CORs who got tog
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OFFICIAL NEWS RELEASE: Girls as Youth Members, All Programs
David CO replied to John-in-KC's topic in Issues & Politics
Yes, the Owasippe Scout Reservation was saved. Owasippe Staff Association and Owasippe Outdoor Education Center members were big winners in this negotiated slate. I find it somewhat ironic that the CO's ended up losing some of their voting strength in the council when the members-at-large were "greatly expanded". This was a poor reward for stepping up and supporting the opposition. I have mixed feeling about the results. I'm glad that Owasippe was saved, but I am disappointed that opposition leaders double-crossed the CO's in the negotiations. The CO's never got the free and fair elect -
OFFICIAL NEWS RELEASE: Girls as Youth Members, All Programs
TAHAWK replied to John-in-KC's topic in Issues & Politics
2009 "After countless rejections over the past seven years, the slate of nominations to the Chicago Area Council Board was finally approved by the voting membership. On June 22, the Annual Meeting and Board Election was reconvened, with about 60 CORs and Scouters gathering to vote. All five slates of nominees was approved by hefty majorities. Leading up to the election, there was much talk encouraging both sides of the election. While some felt enough concessions as to the members of the slate were made that they could be approved, others sought more changes and specific persons to be inc -
Owasippe. Yes, that happened. But what followed? The Council was rebuilt, the publicity was wonderful, the federal court case was unique, and Owasippe was ultimately saved as a camp ground. The CORs have the effect they can have. Or they can stay home and let things happen. Phone calls, publicity, "follow the money", refuse to back down to bullies (even in Scout uniforms), enforce zoning regs. Sounds like politics as usual.
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Those of us who were around during the Owasippe struggle might laugh at the suggestion that councils are independent.
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Councils ARE the CORs. How would National justify that change? Council mergers are orchestrated by National, but the Councils are by definition (so I thought) separate corporate entities, incorporated in each particular state, yes? That is where Chicago and Owasippe got in to trouble, with National coming in and insisting that the Council Execs be replaced to National's satisfaction and trying to force the sale of the camp. How's Nantucket doing?
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A week at Local council scout camp or National Scout Camp?
SSScout replied to RememberSchiff's topic in Summer Camp
The Summit is one more opportunity. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer cherce, as the carny barker said. Brings up the problem visited in other threads: Promotion and use of Scout properties. If BSA had the membership to truly utilize the properties we have available (Philmont, Council camps, Owasippe, Bayport, etc. ) we might not have the problem of sell offs. Then again, if BSA promoted itself as the young person's outdoor adventure outfit, rather than the good citizen education outfit, we might have a chance to BE the GCE outfit by means of being the YPOA outfit. -
Anyone who followed the Owasippe situation in Chicago a few years back got a real eye opener. The chartered organizations refused to vote in the Board of Directors slated by national. The execs at national responded by threatening to pull the councils charter. Yes, on paper, the chartered organizations vote in the council BOD, who then hire the executives. In reality, the execs choose the slate for the BOD. We need to have real elections. We need to have real oversight of the executives. We might even learn that we don't really need the executives.
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Pathway to Adventure Council Camp Plan
LongTimeGone replied to walk in the woods's topic in Council Relations
Although far removed from the Northeast IIllinois Council, I still know a number of people who are quite well plugged in there. Yes it is a council that serves some of the wealthiest communities in the Chicago area, but the money they raise doesn't come easy. They have been trying for years to raise a capital campaign with limited success. From what I have heard was that the NEIC while party to the merger talks, simply did not see any benefit in joining up with the other councils. Three Fires Council ( western suburbs) also said no thanks. NEIC might have joined had there been guarantees -
Go we again here... http://www.chicagobsa.org/camping/owasippe-scout-reservation/3820 http://www.scouter.com/forum/camping-high-adventure/400605-chicago-area-council-does-right-and-rebuilds-100-yr-old-owasippe-scout-reservation Good Scouting, Chcago et al. And so forth...
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Shades of Owasippe ... http://www.scouter.com/search?q=Owasippe&searchJSON=%7B%22keywords%22%3A%22Owasippe%22%7D
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Stosh, do you think this issue needs to take on an all or nothing approach, or do you see a middle ground here? You mentioned two areas that might be improved, "less than authentic dress" and "rituals reflected of their religion." If OA insisted on authenticity and shied away from religious rituals, do you think that would do it? By the way, cultural appropriation issues go beyond OA. Take Chief Owasippe of Chicago Council's Owasippe Scout Reservation. Do I see a Western styled headdress on a Great Lakes tribal character?
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I had perhaps my best week of scout camp camping the one summer my troop went to Owasippe instead of our usual camp. An incredible, amazing place that ran a fantastic program. I'm so glad the CAC figured this out and did the right thing. -
Spring 2014 work weekend flyer http://www.chicagobsa.org/document/help-make-owasippe-better-flyer/132810 -
Searching just our previous forums in 2005-2008 timeframe, I found some. Have aspirin handy. http://www.scouter.com/forum/council-relations/23141-hello-owasippe http://www.scouter.com/forum/summer-camp/15361-camp-owasippe-summer-2007 http://www.scouter.com/forum/council-relations/22975-goodbye-owasippe http://www.scouter.com/forum/summer-camp/15221-what-s-going-on-with-owassippe http://www.scouter.com/forum/council-relations/22996-chicago-the-grim-future-of-scouting http://old.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=129632 http://old.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?thre
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For the benefit of folks who are not familiar with this episode, I have been trying to access our history of this sad situation without success. Found this: lots of articles in ChiTrib: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-06-14/news/0706131277_1_scouts-plan-boy-scouts-board-members and http://flyingdingbats.wordpress.com/owasippe/ and http://ooec.org/news-info/
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A scout camp, perhaps the oldest, saved and restored. It took concerned scouters, local government, legal action, zoning, a change in council leadership, funding, and volunteers. "With its future secure, Owasippe Scout Reservation will receive $1 million in improvements before the next camping season, according to an official with the Chicago Area Council of Boy Scouts of America." "The future of Owasippe had been in question several years ago when the council had a $19 million offer from a Holland-area businessman for the property. But plans to sell the 4,800-acre property were derailed
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Living in Florida and camping every month year around, our troop found it was an adventure for the boys and an experience for adults to go someplace a little cooler. We normally went to NE Georgia or North Carolina, both of which have hills and white water rafting available. They also gave us a chance to interact with leaders and units from other places. We were fortunate to have a troop that was well off enough that money was not a big deal, so that really wasn't a consideration. One of our greatest experiences was a week of summer camp at Owasippe in Michigan. That was really a worthwhile tr
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"Because rules are for the guidance of leaders. They may be useful ideals, guides and goals, but they may not be necessary all the time, or there may be exceptions that will benefit the Scouting program. Take the "Counselors in Training" (CIT) program in many Scout Camps. Very likely it is a program that can be used well or poorly. Used well it provides additional manpower at low cost to Scouting that provides useful teaching and leadership experience to Scouts and benefits everyone. Used poorly and it can lead to poor quality experiences for the CITs and for the young Scouts they
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Jambo 2012 rejected - Now What?
hadulzo replied to rhol's topic in Wood Badge and adult leader training
Never say can't or won't. Program is up to the boys and what they are willing to. If adults say they can't afford it then they can't afford it. How about boys we need to raise money for this if you want to go. I did a camp promotion in a small town on the outskirts of chicago. (they went to Owasippe this summer) The troop took advantage of the poor economy since there were plenty of open slots on the council contingent. They raised enough money with car washes, popcorn and candy that 22 boys ans 3 adults went for free. Also there is money availble if the council jamboree committee does thei -
Jambo 2012 rejected - Now What?
hadulzo replied to rhol's topic in Wood Badge and adult leader training
Never say can't or won't. Program is up to the boys and what they are willing to. If adults say they can't afford it then they can't afford it. How about boys we need to raise money for this if you want to go. I did a camp promotion in a small town on the outskirts of chicago. (they went to Owasippe this summer) The troop took advantage of the poor economy since there were plenty of open slots on the council contingent. They raised enough money with car washes, popcorn and candy that 22 boys ans 3 adults went for free. Also there is money availble if the council jamboree committee does thei -
Tinnerman Canoe Base is no more....
Abel Magwitch replied to le Voyageur's topic in Camping & High Adventure
Oak Tree, COR's even in force don't really have any control over what the pros want to do. Camp owasippe of the Chicago council is a prime example. Council wanted to sell the camp. Supporters of the camp rallied the troops. COR's came out in force to vote down the new executive board. They did so in a 5 to 1 vote. They had another vote a month later and the same thing happened, the board was voted down by the volunteers with voting power. Then an intersting thing happened. A pro from national came with a some top secret rule that states if a board is voted down twice, that national can appoint -
I have just returned from Owasippe's 100th Celebration. At this point CAC (via the new Exec) is firmly behind Owasippe for another 100 years. They have added more sessions for Webelos summer camp using Carlen(unofficially Camp Carlen appears to be their new location for their Webelos summercamp). They are planning on expanding the number of Webelos sessions next year. As they work that part of the program they should see increased attendance at Troop level increasing their overall numbers.
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This is the 100th Anniversary of Owasippe Scout Reservation. The centennial website is www.owasippe100.org If you want to take your troop to America's oldest operating scout camp go to www.chicagobsa.org/owasippe See you there! Herb Dulzo CAC
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Can you say "Owasippe"? http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=87008#id_137760 Oh, yes, National can too jump in to "help" troubled Councils. The problem is who defines the trouble? The CORs must participate in the governing of the Council, or accept what happens without compalaint. It's called "democracy".
