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  1. No, slavery was the reason they left. Read each states declaration on why they left. In each, the reason is slavery. The efforts in the early 1900’s of the LOst cause or states right was nothing more than way for the south to convince itself that it was not slavery. But their founding documents betray that reality. For the 5 initial states in why they left the union (from their words) georgia: third line - they have endeavored to weaken out security, to disturb out domestic peace and tranquillity....with reference to that property mississippi: second line. Our position i
  2. Stone Mountain is literally the largest monument on earth dedicated to honoring the men who betrayed their country to enslave an entire race due to their skin. The taliban blew up statues because Islam considers any representation of the human as offensive. Both of these instances illustrate how narrow the thinking of a culture or people can be. Are you in agreement that Stone Mountain should be preserved because is it something the US wants to celebrate or honor. That the South’s effort to break away from the United States over the desire to preserve slavery is something we want to sole
  3. There are 17 different items BLM is supporting In their mission. You have identified one and disparage the rest of the organization and their goals for that? And it does NOT call for the destruction of the family, rather it calls for recognition that extended families and villages have a significant pace in today’s society. Do we not want equality under law for all Americans, regardless of race? Do we not understand that a significant portion of our population is disenfranchised and there is room and opportunity to heal the Division that occurs. And for Duckworth, her comments a
  4. No, the politicians get it, they understand. But maybe they are trying to approach this more as an enagagement to address the underlying conditions ina an effort to stop more protest, looting, etc. but again, protesting is not the same as looting and rioting. And when peaceful protestors are treated like looters or rioter like some heavy handed politicians have done, then nothing moves forward, nothing changes, and we are stuck in the death spiral of ineffectiveness. And simp,Ed protesting is seen as the same as looting or rioting.
  5. There is a huge difference between whose who loot/riot and those who protest. And why are the riots occurring? And for the monuments, specifically the ones honoring confederate leaders or soldiers, do you not understand why they want them removed? Is it too much to ask they they want a statue of a person or representation that honors, or remembers, or celebrates the subjugation is a single person due to the color of their skin removed.
  6. This is why we rarely use BSA campsite anyway. Would rather use a state park - other than summer camp.
  7. I have done the same and I am astonished at what is still occurring in the Navy, a microcosm of society. As a senior in the navy, talking to other senior black officers and sailors about the racism they encounter. To hear their sides of the story of an event I was actually involved in. Totally unaware of some of the behind the scenes actions of others. I too assumed the best of people. Totally agree, is listening too much to ask? Is it too hard to try to understand what others have gone through, what they are currently still experiencing. Don’t make it political, make it personal. We ca
  8. What was his departure from the other two troops like. Was it amicable?
  9. If you are accusing me of being intolerant about people who refuse to admit that there are race issues in this nation and staying the course, doing what we have always been doing is enough - guilty as charged. I support the BSA's effort to shape the minds and develop today's youth to lead tomorrow. Tolerance, diversity, and inclusions are concepts that I wholeheartedly support. I also wholeheartedly support an organization that is willing to take an honest look at itself and admit it can do better. That is part of an organization I want to be part of. I'll leave this last note becau
  10. Yep. Intolerance is nothing more than unwillingness to accepts views, beliefs or behaviors different than ones own.
  11. I did not imply anything. I am not black, never have been. But what I did do was try to understand the challenges my peers have undergone. Men and women who I know well and respect. It was eye opening what they have gone through. Is there something wrong with that concept, something we don’t want to teach our scouts about understanding and empathy? It’s far easier to just think there are no problems, to think there is nothing more you can learn, to say “don’t have that problem here”.
  12. it is a meritocracy. However, as every service chief has clearly stated, there is still racism in the military, and an order or regulation cannot erase it. And much like the statement and purpose of the BSA statement, there is much that needs to be done, and that everyone need to take a look, have a conversation with those experiencing racism to better understand it, and be brave confront it when you see it. there is no room for intolerance - be it due to color of skin, religion or political belief.
  13. I too am a military member with as many years in the service (and still serving) and completely disagree with you. The US is decidedly not a military state. There are reasons that military wear (camp pants) are frowned on to be worn at account events. BSA is not about training youth for military, but for developing leadership, resilience, confidence, and Overall contribute to society as adults. While this is much like that military offers, BSA is not a military organization. What Liz says is fine, and I have concern with your lack of tolerance with people who disagree with you.
  14. BSA is not saying they will teach intolerance or rioting, the exact opposite. Rioter are going to riot, for what ever reason, same with looters. But protesting an injustice, and continuing to portent is as American as apple pie. And it’s not diversity first, it’s in addition to. Nothing is binary here.
  15. That the guy they have also attacking women on video, before he uses mace and then shoots a guy during a protest. You are right, that is not scouting.
  16. I have decided to look at this current situation and look at myself to see how I can work to make change, to do my part not to support or tolerate racism. I am adamant that the status quo is not enough. It obviously is not. It has not Contributed to changing the situation, and we have a significant number of our American population who are disenfranchised because racism is tolerated. I applause BSA for being willing to participate in the confersation, knowing that it has a national presence across this great country and can make a difference, and not just bury it head in the sand and refu
  17. Two thoughts, First based on your website - "Police killed 1004 people in 2019. Black people were 24% of those killed despite being only 13% of the population" Second, and the most important in my mind - this is not about systematic racism or police bias. That is what some of the protest are about, but it is really about stopping racism in the entire country. This is not a new problem, it has been part of this nation since its start. It did not end after the civil war, it did not end with civil rights legislation, it still exist. That is what the MB and the scouts can help st
  18. Two thoughts, First - MBs are only a check in the block is the scouts leadership lets it be. If you teach scouts standards and the need to meet them early, you can instill in them the same outlook on standards throughout their lives. You let them pencil whip it or ignore it, what is the lesson they learn. And you can control this. Second - if this is what you see in the value of scouting and the ability to impact a scouts life, why are you doing this? For some, we are the primary influence. For some, we may be the only opposing view of that they learn or hear at home. And I firmly think
  19. Regarding Baden-Powell, to quote Bear Grylls “Baden-Powell may have taken the first step in creating Scouting, but the journey continues today without him. We know where we came from but we are not going back." (I added emphasis). The organization and the leadership can, must be stronger than one man. It does not mean tossing out all his ideas, it means keeping and strengthening the right ones. Regarding a pamphlet for family discussion - racism is a learned behavior. The racism that Blacks in this country have been experiencing is not a new problem, and if we want to be part of the s
  20. I do not agree that merit badges are useless, so I can see why I did not follow your logic earlier.
  21. I am not tracking your logic - BSA also put out a statement and then a decision to take positive action to educate Scouts on racism and discrimination. The UK put a statement out and that is more proactive? This is an opportunity to educate scouts on racism and discrimination, to have a difficult conversation about this subject, and hopefully develop young men adn women who can add to the conversation and elimination of this scourge. Statements alone are no enough. This is a chance for scouts to be educated and informed, and become the future leaders of this nation this program is designe
  22. If there is a merit. Badge which discusses racism, discrimination, and how it is able to perpetuate, and how to see it and react, why is that a bad thing?How does that not help? Racism is learned, not an innate belief.
  23. I think we are both trying to say the same thing. I agree with everything you say and was not trying to imply otherwise.
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