Navybone

Yes, one hundred time yes. And I would argue that there is no serious correlation between knots and leadership or ability. Some units nominate people, some do not.

My original comment was in response to another comment about the message that the scout sees when a uniform is or is not correct. I picked weight becasue it is an easy visual, as is looking at a uniform. And regarding first impressions, I agree, same as how some might feel about the number of knots.

I do not see anything about hair, piercings, or tattoos in the handbook. I am all about inclusion. But if the discussion is about what the message to the scouts, we have to be serious about what really see.

What message indeed. But if you step back and look at the individual wearing the uniform. If the leader is grossly overweight, but has three knots, is that any better or worse than leader who follows the Scout oath to keep himself physically strong but is wearing 15? What is the more important message that the scout should be getting from the leader? And what is the message that the is really being sent to the scout. Performance, leadership, living up to the Scout oath and law should always trump a minor uniform infraction.

what is the issue?

The fault is that Scouts BSA is trying to thread the line with “family camping” while trying to have a regular scout experience. It only puts every leader in a no win position. Ugg.

I gues the issue here is family camping - how does that change things. If not at all, then why have it? I did not see family camping mentioned specifically on the BSA webpage.

If the counselor uses google meets as part of classroom, then it is a simple video chat to explain, etc.

I think there has been some spirited discussion, but I do not think anyone has called or implied anyone is racist.

I saw all that. But I have not seen anything since then to suggest the MB is a joint BLM BSA badge or that BLM was involved in its development

Depends - I had not seen that they used BLM as the basis of the badge. The BLM provide information for the requirements or the instruction booklet? Does what they provided expand beyond understanding and recognizing racism? I don’t know. I am not a fan of everything BLM stands for, but I do know that the accepting people, regardless of skin color, race, sexuality, sociology-economic status, education, etc, is basic human kindness and professionalism when one is an adult in the work force. There is nothing political about that. And I have seen youth come into the work force totally un

So your issue is with BLM, got it. But again, BLM does not equal diversity and the concepts behind it. Even if BLM did not exist, there would still be a need to discuss diversity in this world. BLM did not create the word or the idea of excluding people due to race, sex, sexual persuasion, socio-economic status, etc.

This is an example of what I was trying to address: Let’s say your faith does not support the concept of homosexuality and finds it immoral. Homosexuality exists and is not illegal. The scouts will experience someone who is homosexual, if they have not already. The point I am trying to make is that these scouts will find themselves with a challenge, how do they reconcile this as they grow older? What will they do if they end up working with a homosexual? Sent from my iPad

Diversity does not equal Black Lives Matter. One can discuss diversity, equity, and inclusion without discussing black lives matter. The definition I used is from the dictionary. my point is that diversity and the idea that people of different races, religion, socio-economic backgrounds, etc, have value and should be included is not in of itself political.

I would only add that when discussing something that is legal, that while you can consider it immoral, it does not mean you can ostracize or otherwise exclude someone who does not agree with your assessment of that something being immoral.