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  1. We have 3 crews going on a unit BWCA trip this summer. I'm going with a 12yo crew. Next Spring the older kids are talking about going back to Seabase and doing SCUBA. This is off the table for the younger crew due to HA age limits.... and yet I see Camp Emerald Bay on Catalina Island runs a "Rugged" SCUBA adventure that gets you PADI open water certified for 12+yo. The other "Rugged" adventures look similarly HAish to me. My personal inclination is to run multiple unit HA trips for what Seabase would cost for the younger Scouts, but I was wondering what other "Rugged" council programs are out there?
  2. Significant youth protection changes

    The long cords are a real drag when driving, that's why I use rfc1149 encoding to use VoIP over carrier pigeon. Having twice as many cages is a hassle but its worth it for YPT.
  3. High adventure photos

    Fair enough. The 10 hrs in Skip's post just jumped out at me since that is the limit for a single days drive in the G2SS... so the limit of a more affordable drivable trip for many troops.
  4. How do you end your Troop meetings?

    We circle up for the Scoutmaster Benediction but leave the circle broken to remember those not there.
  5. High adventure photos

    To be fair, Brian is within 10 hrs of Baxter State Park/Katahdin in Maine and much closer to the Whites in NH and the Adirondaks in NY. All three would be great places to run a "convenient" Winter mountaineering course for east coast scouts. Northern Tier is 20+hrs away and is extreme Winter camping with no mountains. The only non-unit mountaineering options I know of in North America are a Summer program in Eastern British Columbia through Scouts Canada and an opportunity at one of the Alaska High Adventure Bases. A less extreme option like your Scottish camp would be a great addition to BSA's program.
  6. I know many have wondered about names and such with BS4G. In our council's new branding they are dropping "boy", "boy scouts", "BSA", and council. So going from Northern Star Council of BSA to Northern Star Scouting. See, http://www.northernstarbsa.org/refreshing-our-brand-for-scouting-today I would assume this is at least in the spirit of what we'll eventually see from National. Though I'm not sure exactly how, Scouting America sounds like an outdoor store and Scouts America sounds like gas station.
  7. Philmont Announcement - March 27

    I feel like we should be the target audience... I have a 9yo CS and a 11yo BS. The value proposition of the 3 of us going down for a week at $650 is pretty compelling... but looking at the descriptions the activities are weak. So we have horse rides on docile horses and climbing on very easy routes and short hikes. This looks like Cub Camp or First Year Scout Camp. That's not what I want to see at Philmont. B-P and others talk about the mythopoetic value of Scouting activities. Beyond the physical majesty, Philmont also serves as some sort of pinnacle of high adventure. Yeah, that's debatable but *this* family camp detracts from that image. For us, the *core* program is exactly what we are looking for in a family camp. My 11yo will have just done a BWCA trip in June and my 9yo is going to go into Webelos over the Summer and will cross over at 10 1/2 next Spring. He is bridling at the lack of adventure. A family scouting program could get around the informed consent problems and if provided more skilled guides get younger kids into the backcountry. I think the 14yo official HA cutoff is hurting Scouting. Somehow the Y camps can take 12 and 13yos on 60-120mile BWCA trips while BSA waits 2 more years. Next year our troop is going back to SeaBasa but we need to find a different activity for the younger Scouts. That might be fine if these activities were so elite but plenty of younger Scouts could do these. My ideal Family Scouting trip would be something like a hypothetical trip with my wife, her sister, and their mom with the 4 grandkids between 11/12-13/14 going to MOHAB and doing the packrafting/backpacking course. For family trips I want to leverage the guiding expertise of the Scouts to do real HA not daycamp. So for us the Philmont Family Adventure falls short. The boys and I will probably spend the week of July 4th either backpacking on the SHT or the Kek or canoeing on the Namekegon.
  8. Here is a tip for keeping 90-day logs - PF, FL, PM

    I think these requirements are about finding a system that works for a given kid. I think online or in the crappy workbook is likely to have the out of sight/out of mind problem. So for a given kid something on their phone or something on a calendar/planner may work better but that'll vary from kid to kid. For us my son started Personal Fitness at 10.5yo and I had him come up with his own system. He just used a sheet of copy paper with divided in 2 columns with boxes for each day. It had the dates at the top, then the chart, and a small area to record results for that 2 weeks at the bottom. So for PF you had 6 sheets. His first design looked bad. So I suggested maybe he could use a ruler and after that he managed it himself. It was a simple system. The current sheet was magneted to the fridge so you had a regular daily reminder every time you got a snack. After your bi-weekly fitness test you had the natural reminder to make a new chart for the next 2 weeks. He didn't do the other requirements so he just used this for his T2F requirements but the overall system was pretty smooth.
  9. Outdoor Code for Non-Americans

    Here is a GBB Boys Life article about it: https://books.google.com/books?id=oB4YsDfcXA4C&pg=PA27&lpg=PA27&dq=green+bar+bill+outdoor+code+bottle+beach Sounds like BSA meant it to be not just for scouts but something that was evangelized to schools and civic groups hence the generic patriotic "American" reference. Sort of like an early Keep America Beautiful campaign.
  10. Linked Troops - What are these?

    The actual requirement is "Be active in your Webelos den for at least six months since completing the fourth grade or at least six months since becoming ten years old." It is a bit of an edge case but both of my boys have early September birthdays in a school district with a hard requirement of 5yo by Sept. 1st for Kindergarten. As such older son crossed over having done all the Webelos and AoL requirements in 9 months as a 10.5yo 4th grader... if he hadn't he would have joined boy scouts as an 11yo in the Fall not as a AoL crossover the following spring. Younger son will do the same next year if he does the work. There are bound to be a few girls who also meet this requirement and joined as 10yo 4th graders who could move up six months from now. ETA: I agree this isn't a huge deal since it is a one time thing.
  11. Buzzfeed - CSE Surbaugh - Girls - Scouter.com

    And yet the in many ways the peak of American Scouting was in the pre-1954 days when BSA was in New York City. Hillcourt wrote many of his classic books in NY and later in NJ. BSA didn't move to TX until '78. I think your geographical determinism is too simplistic.
  12. Adding Girls to Pack

    Our CO has made it clear they want us to be as close to coed as possible. So, we are planning to run parallel troops with new female leaders and all girls patrols but shared meetings and outings. Our IH has volunteered to run interference with the council if needed but it looks like this model is emerging as an official model. http://www.northernstarbsa.org/programs-for-girls
  13. Good way to train for Philmont, AT treks

    I see 2 problems with this idea. The minor problem is these races aren't free so for a crew to use this approach there will be a non-negligible cost... maybe that is worthwhile if it is enough of a motivator <shrug> The major problem is these tend to be road events.Running or backpacking on pavement is way more taxing joints and muscles. If my wife trains for road marathons she is injury prone and yet she can train for 50 mile trail ultras and be fine. Her races are places like the Superior Hiking Trail, so rocky, rooty, hilly like the AT or Philmont. I think training solely on roads raises the risk of injury and doesn't train all those small stabilizer muscles used on uneven terrain. In addition to shakedown weekends, why not just do your own 5-10-15 mile day hikes with packs at your local park with decent trails... free and more functional training to boot.
  14. 2017 Report to the Nation-Membership

    Wow is that 36% drop in Venturing mainly LDS related?
  15. New merit badge idea?

    Some of this is already in Leatherwork