Eagle94-A1

Sadly it is not only different from council to council, but also Scout Exec to Scout Exec. While the volunteers are suppose to be in charge, I have seen the nomination process rigged first hand at the council level, and was encouraged to do the same at the district level when I was a DE. Last district event I ran, the DE overruled myself and the volunteer in charge of the IOLS training that weekend. We had been working on the events for over a year, and at the last minute the DE added a 3rd event the same weekend at the same time. We had to scramble to get additional supplies and I had to redo several locations, and the orientation course to get to the events as a result. And I have seen a volunteer get their membership revoked because they discovered something a SE did that was not kosher. So yes the Pros do call the shots.

Temp insignia. So it goes on the right pocket.

Thanks for the reference. Knowing my council however.... I've seen how SE's will manipulate the executive board membership so that only "Yes Men" get to serve. You try to be "Loyal opposition" and try to work on alternative and you are gone.I have seen several dedicated longtime Scouters go through this. It also happens at lower levels.

Don't let your SE find out. He may get ticked off at you.

I don't know. I am pushing oldest to finish his last 2 MBs and have his Eagle BOR before the end of the year. But even if it happens, I have a feeling my council will lose the paperwork and I will have to pay another year for him. I will give middle son 2 year to finish up. He is Star. As for youngest, i think i will be looking at TRAILS LIFE. SAd thing is i have been involved in Scouting almost 40 years. I have served in numerous volunteer and professional roles over the years. I know what Scouting can do. I just won't be able to afford it if it more than doubles. Heck even pushing it to$50 will be hard And in my area, I won't be the only one. Median household income for my council is under $41000.

From what I have read, and been told, the answer is no. CSE Surbaugh mentioned how he had no children, do he could focus on his career. Many workers bees at National have little to no experience in Scouting, either as a youth or Scouter working with an unit. And those that have the experience tend to be ignored. I am told the head trainer has the job because of her PhD in leadership management, and has never been involved previously.

Different troops do different things. Troop I grew up in, the SPL ate with the Leadership Corps. Those were the older Scouts who had previously served as PLs and had troop level jobs, i.e. quartermaster, scribe, instructor, etc. ASPL was the PL of that patrol. Neither had assigned duties. ASPL would help out as needed, just like a PL. Another troop I was in had the SPL and ASPL eat with the patrols as guests. Another troop had them eating, and doing KP, with their patrols. I personally did not like that because it took them away from their primary jobs. Current troop has the SPL only eating with adults.

As a former pro, @ParkMan 110% correct: DEs have little to no influence at the council level, let alone the National one. In fact, I find out thinks before the DEs do from this site, FB, and friends elsewhere. Clarification, got a copy of a letter one council sent saying that while no one knows how much the fee increase will be, be prepared for $100.

Try paying for 4, 5 if they charge MBCs. I see Trails Life getting a huge membership jump.

Looks like $100 per person now.

One thing I saw someone wearing was a leather rounder with Eagle mentor pins on it. He wore it as a temporary patch. If I was to wear unofficial pins, I would go this route.

I am like @Eagle1993, I am hearing rumors from the west, and I do not want to believe what I heard. Between lack of sleep and sticker shock, I may have posted too fast. Price I am hearing is $75+ per member. That does not include any insurance or council fees. If this happens, I see a significant drop in membership in my area. I am in a rural county with a median income of $42K. I will probably quit, or register solely as a MB counselor.

Been around since August 2008 as Eagle92. Some point in 2014, the website went wonky and I could not get back in and recreated the current account. This has been a great site, especially when the troop I was in was having issues. It is a great place to vent and get idea on how to improve the troop.

If the price range I heard is correct, it is way north of a $20 increase.. I will no longer be in Scouting as I will not be able to afford the registration fee. I will now be pushing my oldest son to achieve Eagle prior to December 31st, so that if the new price is true, I will not have to pay the fee for him to earn Eagle. Although he planned to continue Scouting after Eagle, he will not be able to if the price I heard is true. Don't know what I will do with middle son. He is Star and wants Eagle bad. May have to give him 1 year to get Life and Eagle. But he won't be able to go to camping except summer camp. And at summer camp, I may ask him to focus on Eagle required MBs. The price is that steep. As for my youngest, I will need to find a cheaper alternative. Trails Life may be in our future. at $46/year/ person, they will be significantly cheaper if the price range I was told is correct.

Don't know. But a retired Pro told me that national let go 38 people from the national office last month. Regarding the increase in registration and last minute notice, from the phone conversation I had earlier today, a lot of council pros are ticked off and are bugging the heck out of national about it. The tone I got is that it has ticked a lot of folks council execs off because they have already started their recruiting, and now are informed of a registration increase, when folks already paid for 2020 with their roundup fee.

This situation happened with my oldest when he attended his first, and only, MB College. He was given a MB. I found out about it when I asked him about it. In the discussion with him I found out he completed NONE (emphasis) of the current requirements. Looking back at previous requirements for the MB, I discovered the MBC was using 10 year old requirements, AND still was not doing all of the old requirements. It took a while to make him understand, but he decided to hold off on getting the MB until he actually earned it. Since he started with older requirements, his SM and the two of us decided to let him use those requirements to finish. and in all honesty 2/3 of the missing requirements were still in use. He earned the MB 2 months later, and the SM sent a letter to council about the situation. What is ironic is that the situation I talked to him about, a Scout being given a MB that my actually earned or was working on, occurred. And just as in my example, My son was steamed about the situation. He now refused to even complete the partial because of the gimme. He says it is not worth it.. My advice would be 1) Have a second adult with you when you talk to the Scout and his dad. 2) Ask him about the requirements again, and also show the paperwork the other Scouts did to show he didn't truely earn it. 3) Come up with a plan with him to finish the missing requirements. 4) If this will cause problems with the rest of the troop, and I have seen it happen when done, I would give him the MB, and a copy of his records to search for a troop that will better serve the Scout since the dad does not approve of how you are working with the Scouts. It may seem harsh, but I have seen what giving advancement away can do to a troop. It is not pretty.

National was looking into that a few years back. It was even tested in 1 council. It didn't work because just buying the individual rank shirts, eaht rank got it's own t shirt, was more expensive than the current uniform.

Regarding the reason for the split, I'm just giving a summary of what the then national director of Venturing told us in the spring of 1998, just before it was announced. As for the uniforms, well that is what my supply division boss told me. They could be wrong though.

Here is the actual truth on why Venturing crews can choose their own uniform: when Venturing split from Exploring in 1998, it was so sudden that no uniforms were in existence. Here is the background. Someone sued a police department for discrimination when they could not join a Law Enforcement Explorer Post. It went to court and BSA lost. BSA rushed to separate traditional Sea Explorer Ships, High Adventure Explorer Posts and Religious based Explorer Posts from the Career Oriented Explorer Posts. So Career Oriented Explorer Posts like Law Enforcement, Aviation, and Fire and Rescue remained Exploring under the BSA's Learning for Life subsidiary. Sea Explorers became Sea Scouts once again, and HA and Religious based Explorers became Venturers. There was no uniform available. In fact National made a bunch of Venturing, BSA name taps to be added to the green Explorer shirts, but no Venturing socks or shorts came out for a year afterwards in 1999, and the pants came out 2 years after Venturing split off in 2000. I got a hold of a Venturing BSA name tape when I was at the 1998 All Hands Conference, and never put it on. I wore my green Exploring shirt so much in 2 years of summer camps, that the shirt was faded enough that the name tape did not match in color.

Whatever you put in it, make sure several people in the group know how to use it. One unit I was with was given an EMT kit and had supplies in it that only a few folks knew how to use. I also prefer the make your own kits. As others stated you can add more of what you will commonly use. I would not take less though. When I created my FAKs, I used the BSA's WFA kit recommendations and added to it. One thing i would add is some type of electrolyte powder. While I kept bottle of Gatorade in the fridge at Cub day camp, not practical hiking or backpacking. But those packets of powder are extremely handy. I had to use them twice in the past year. From the BSA Wilderness First Aid Guidelines pages 41 and 42 found here https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/680-008.pdf Guidelines for First-Aid Kit Contents Some of the items listed below require advance training before use (e.g., SAM splints, hemostatic dressing, and tourniquets). Personal Kit • Adhesive bandages (6) • Sterile gauze pads, 3-by-3-inch (2) • Adhesive tape (1 small roll) • Moleskin, 3-by-6-inch (1) • Soap (1 small bar) or alcohol-based hand sanitizing gel (1 travel-sized bottle) • Bacitracin ointment (1 small tube) • Scissors (1 pair) • Nonlatex disposable gloves (1 pair) • CPR breathing barrier (1) • Tweezers (1) • Pencil and incident report forms 42 Wilderness First Aid Curriculum and Doctrine Guidelines Group Kit • Kerlix/Kling (or equivalent), 3-inch rolls (2) • Coban self-adhesive bandage, 2-inch roll (1) • Adhesive tape, 1-inch rolls (2) • Alcohol pads (12) • Betadine pads (12) • Assorted adhesive bandages (1 box) • Elastic bandages, 3-inch-wide (2) • Sterile gauze pads 4-by-4-inch (12) • Moleskin, 3-by-6-inch (4) • Gel pads for blister and burns (2 packets) • Bacitracin ointment (1 tube) • Hydrocortisone cream, 1percent (1 tube) • Triangular bandages (4) • Soap (1 small bar) or alcohol-based hand sanitizing gel (1 travel-sized bottle) • Scissors (1 pair) • Tweezers (1 pair) • Safety pins (12) • Nonlatex disposable gloves (6 pairs) • Protective goggles/safety glasses (1 pair) • CPR breathing barrier (1) • Pencil and paper Optional Items • Instant cold compress • Space blanket • Original size SAM Splint • Hemostatic wound dressings • Tourniquet When I come back from church and remember to get my kit out of the car, I'll post what ECSI recommends in their WFA kit. And as others mentioned, have a paper list of everything with an expiration date and check often. BUT DO NOT THROW AWAY THOSE OUT OF DATE SUPPLIES IF USABLE FOR FIRST AID TRAINING! Me department has a bunch of out of date supplies secured in a training classroom.

In my county,we currently have a GSUSA troop of 2 members. The group started out with a much larger number when they were brownies, and slowly dropped. The 2 girls are both legacies, and both moms are leaders. Sole purpose is to get Gold now. As others commented, it appears the majority of GSUSA units do not camp. Even a national GSUSA leader commented how 10-15% of their members will go on a weekend camp out once a year. I know the girls only troop consists of former GSUSA members. All left because they didn't camp. In fact all the girls have brothers in Scouting, and camped with their families while the brothers were in Cub Scouts.

We have the same situation in my council. As long as the Scouts use the camp, it's ours. Once upon a time a someone mentioned in the article I cited was considering selling the camp. He was not investing anything into that camp, and it was maintained solely by individual troops and the OA chapters that use the camp the most. Consideration for selling it abruptly ended, and it was left to benign neglect. Story I heard is the camp is held in trust, and it reverts to the family if we stop using it. Glad we got it as it is the only Scout camp that Cubs can do boating activities at. The other ones are on a river.

1) Get local legal advice. 2) Whatever you do, DO NOT GIVE IT OUTRIGHT TO AN ORGANIZATION! (caps for emphasis) I say that because camps are being sold. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2006-02-12-0602120249-story.html My former boss is in this one In Texas, the Three Rivers Council convinced the nonprofit Stark Foundation to waive deed restrictions in 2001 to allow the sale of Camp Bill Stark, a 132-acre pine woodland near Beaumont.Lutcher Stark had donated the land some 70 years earlier, specifying it be used for a camp. Scouting officials said they couldn't afford to maintain it, and promised to use sale proceeds to improve another camp. But once released from the deed restriction, they sold the land to an investment firm, and most of it was immediately clear-cut.Foundation Chairman Walter Riedel III, an Eagle Scout, said scout leaders assured foundation officials that part of the woodland would be preserved as a camp."Being a scout - I expected them to do the right thing and be honest with us and I'm not real sure that happened," Riedel said.Former executive Jack Crawford, who no longer works for the scouts, declined comment.[NOTE by Eagle94-A1: Crawford left TX to become a field director in NC. While he is still employed by the BSA, he has been a FD for 17+ years now. At least he isn't getting promoted]

Didn't know BYU had that one too. Another one of the guys in my PDL-1 class had that degree, just didn't know where he got it. And from him describing the courses he took, I did 95% of that degree as a volunteer and youth. Snow Sports topics were the ones I've never done.

BYU has a offers a minor in Nonprofit Management that was specifically designed to produce DEs. One of the guys in my PDL-1 class went there.