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Everything posted by WisconsinMomma

  1. The CO is nearly completely uninvolved. It would be nice if they were more involved. I don't even know who our COR is. I asked once and the answer was nebulous.
  2. See now I have to get all nerdy and check that out. I only see one camping merit badge, middle of third row from the bottom. Is the kid a model? I don't care. Not a big deal. I love looking at the photos of the Scouts on Bryan on Scouting web blog though.
  3. I know, but the boys like their Troop and have made some friends there. So the adult stuff is just a sideshow. I will try to focus my efforts and relationships with the parents of the current scouts who will be around for a a while. I believe that our current CC and SM are coming out of an adult led culture but there is room to nudge things more boy led. Additionally I am not sure that either of the other two local troops are any more boy-focused than this one.
  4. I am just thankful to know that I'm not alone with this kind of experience. There are a lot of wonderful, helpful, kind people in Scouting, and then there are a few kind and well meaning people who might just be grumpy lifers.
  5. I think we need to start a separate thread about new parents -- or do we already have that in the helicopter parents thread? I've read several threads here about new parents mucking things up, and I believe your experiences are real. My experiences with just a couple old scouters is real too, and some of it is rough -- one is really, IMO, bad, passionate about Scouting but it comes out in all the wrong ways. The other is just down on the next group of parents. He seriously said when I said that the Troop might like to do high adventure in the future that with "these parents" th
  6. I am sure that our old CC who is now the Treasurer would have loved to yell at me for finding a wreath person, except, the old wreath person was delighted, and I included another committee member who seemed to buy in in the process. I just hope that the new wreath volunteer is treated well. Volunteers seem to be taken for granted, and I see this across our Pack and Troop. At our last committee meeting, after the popcorn kernel gave a lengthy report about declining popcorn sales, I said -- thank you for helping with the fundraising. I think people were shocked I said thank you! But he p
  7. What does your wife do with your Troop and what was it like for her?
  8. I was a den leader, and I feel those Scouts are my Scouts. Cub Scouting is more of a village, because it involves the families and I care about those kids and their families very much. ETA: They're not my Cub Scouts anymore, but I hope to be invited to at least one COH.
  9. Here's what I have observed in some committee meetings where I am. A few of the parents of Scouts who are no longer in the troop complain that current parents are not volunteering and honestly, they start to come across like the only ones capable of getting anything done. Do they go out and ask the current parents to volunteer? No. They put a note in the minutes saying they need someone to volunteer and then complain that no one shows up. I asked a mom from my former den if she would take over the wreath sale. She said yes as long as she doesn't have to attend committee meetings. Voi
  10. Shoot, I was with you until the last line. I have three sons in Scouting right now and four years with the program. I have a lot of time, money and effort in Scouting and I like to be treated with respect too.
  11. I think you know what I meant -- Scouts are at camp the parents go out on a date while their kids are away at camp.
  12. I was talking to Barry. He's mentioned scout babies a couple of times (I have assumed it's babies of adult scouters.) If this is used as a reason why there should not be girls (or women) in Scouting, it could be perceived as the women being the problem. Just as if there are pretty girls in Scouting, then the boys will look at the pretty girls. That's life. It's not the girls' fault, and pretty girls will get noticed no matter what they are wearing. Do we leave out the girls because they are pretty? It's this line of reasoning that leads some societies to place all kinds of res
  13. I think sometimes stories get told over and over. Sure, babies are made all over the place. That is life. Just don't blame the girls and women only because it takes two to tango. ETA: A joke: No one will ever win the battle of the sexes; there's too much fraternizing with the enemy. Henry KissingerRead more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/henry_kissinger_105144
  14. Here's the thing, I feel that the best thing for me to do is to worry about my kids and our family's Scouting experience, and to care about our Troop and Pack's sustainability, etc. I have no control over troops who are bending the rules or making up their own stuff, and it doesn't really affect me. A Scout who is given an Eagle without doing things properly does not hurt my kids experience at all. My kids work will benefit them, and it's who they become as people, not the plaque on the wall. We agree on that! If this is happening in my Troop, then it's my concern, otherwise it's not
  15. That's some parents, but not all of them. And if Scout kids are at camp and they go on a date, it's not that bad. You guys say you don't want adults around, except when you do! Many parents are very supportive of their kids' activities.
  16. I haven't told my boys about girls in Scouting yet, I'm going to wait until it actually starts to happen. But I'll tell you about some girls in the neighborhood. My middle son's best friend, I'll call her Anna. Her dad takes her fishing. She likes archery. Her mom and dad are great people. If you get Anna in the troop you'll get her mom or dad too. The girls down the street, two little girls and they are girly so they may not be interested in Scouts, but let's say they are interested in earning Eagle as an accomplishment. Their dad is a retired fire chief, mom is a nurse and
  17. We've got a fictional female scout and people are already arguing that a fictional scout hasn't earned Eagle properly. Can we wait for real life scenarios? In my family's current experience, completing the requirements is taking time. While there are merit badges at summer camp (campers typically earn 3 over the course of the week if they do all their prep at home beforehand) , and there are short merit badge clinics (also if you prep at home first), it takes more than a couple hours to earn a badge, and the Eagle required badges requirements are not one day deals. In our local
  18. OK, Stosh says the boys will lose, Flagg says the girls will lose, we'll have to see what actually happens. Yes, there will need to be more leaders. That means welcoming to the new people who show up to help out. If patrols are youth run, if I understand Stosh correctly, the adults aren't all that important! The BSA has a wealth of training materials and there's always Youtube for learning to do lashings and practically any other Scout skill. We'll have to see how it goes.
  19. You're not a chauvinist. It's the comments along the lines of -- look at all the fat moms who can't go on hikes, and if a girl gets an Eagle, then the boys' Eagles are worthless, and negative comments about divorced mothers that are signals of attitude problems. People can be legitimately upset at national for changing the program without being sexist. But there are many men who look down on women and girls overall and that's a problem. They're going to have problems.
  20. One thing I am seeing in Scouts and hockey is the involvement of grandparents with kids who have divorced moms and dads. This seems to be wonderful for the kid to have an extra adult or two who can help take them to activities and serve as role models. Grandparents are great.
  21. I'll just share an experience from my 9 year old, new to hockey son yesterday at his first tournament. They played the first game, he hung around in the skating center with his friends, they played in the arcade. He comes up to me all pouty and says, I want to go home, I don't want to play another game. He asks to buy a sucker from the sucker pull fundraiser, and then... he's happy again. He's doing something hard, a hockey tournament, with lots of boring downtime. This morning we are up early to go for the third game. It's hard, it's a lot of work. Some parts are very fun an
  22. He pulled that comment in from the Girls in Scouting thread. And I stick by it: people who feel that girls are less than should not work with girls when they join the program. And I was speaking generally, not talking about anyone in particular.
  23. I would probably communicate to the Pack families that space is limited and that the first priority goes to 1 Scout + 1 Parent/Guardian so that as many scouts can come on the trip as possible. If you have little space it does not make sense to bring siblings. Then, first come, first serve, but of course make sure your den leaders get space! Pay to hold your spot and keep a wait list. Have a fantastic time.
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