King Ding Dong

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Looks like your wait for the mini-rapture is over, packsaddle. The Cubbies are now infected.

I am curious what the issue is with EDGE ?

I think we can return the non-chocolate stuff. We have also passed on the show and sell for this reason. Accounting just becomes to complicated.

I would have just dissolved the troop and started another one. Mistakes are made and GSUSA should have a system in place to fix such errors. There is also the three day right of recision law that should apply here. I nave not been involved directly with pack level ordering of popcorn but as you said I would just refuse delivery.

BD, was the LNT required for WB or just an another training you wanted ? I have not seen any LNT training offered in our council. There must be more to LNT than what is covered in the Tiger Handbook.

Well I am sure there are a few that will say it is God's wrath for the BSA losing its moral compass. Maybe it is a problem only for those who supported the membership policy change, or those choosing to stay in the BSA.

I should use that line the next time the FOS rep comes to our Pack meeting. Lol

In St. Louis it is $250 and two full three day weekends. I think there are also some pre meetings with your patrol. Probably an another 50-75 for food and patrol items like at IOLS. (Neckerchiefs, patrol flags, decorations, t shirts,). Maybe food and that stuff is included, not sure. http://www.stlbsa.org/training/Pages/wood-badge.aspx

We could post up until a couple of days ago. Then it went down. Sure some seem to have taken their ball and run home. Some COs are claiming they will not recharter. Hard to imagine a pastor looking the boys in the eye and telling them their scouting days are over as far as he is concerned, but I guess there are people that cold and heartless.

A lot has happened since you have been gone. We were able to settle all the issues and have come to mutual agreement. Therefor the issues and politics section is no longer needed. Everyone is happy now.

Why should we fund you? There are many locals that need funding. Giving a reason you may get a better response.

Welcome. As you have probably noticed we are experiencing technical difficulties, but it works most of the time.

Maybe we were banned.

Must mean your response had no merit. Before long we will start getting "invalid argument" errors. Lol

Same here. Can't reply. The title to your post is very inaccurate. A bill passed the senate, that's all. Stupid bills pass one house or the other all the time, it does not mean it will become law. Singling out youth groups would not get by the courts anyway.

I don't know what the GS spend their money on, but our pack spends the popcorn money on awards, B&G, snacks at some activities, rechartering fees. The other option is to charge the families for everything or jack up the registration fees. Scouting does take money, it has to come from somewhere. I am very open to suggestions on how to make a 30% margin or more, So you are saying the cookies do not make money ? I hate selling popcorn, but I don't have a better idea of how a 7 year old can raise funds.

OK. So what is the take for the troop/scout? Same 30% as popcorn ? What are the numbers on where the money goes? I am just having a problem seeing what the issue is with the cookies. We have to bust our ass to sell crappy popcorn and any table I see selling cookies has a line.

TJ, That went a little over the top. You do a disservice to our viewpoint when you act just as bad as a televangelist. You may be right about a 1000 years from know but I doubt it. People are very uncomfortable with their mortality and will always seek peace with it. Science will never have all the answers to our existence and people want answers. Others provide those answers, I cannot disprove all of them nor do I want to. They may be right. Science does not have a solid explanation for something out of nothing.

I am sure that there are some that have established that culture. At a training class on instructor bought bags of cheap beads and hands them out at pack and den meetings for good things he sees. Sitting quietly when asked, proper salute, wearing the uniform correctly, doing a skit. I sure would rather see wearing the shirt with jeans than sweats. My first pack did uniform inspections and if you passed you got a tootsie roll if not a push up for each violation. The boys actually liked it and had fun, but the push-ups are considered hazing so I would stick with the positive reinforcement. It was also in a well to do area of town, The problem I have with the all or nothing rule is very few people can afford to get it all. If you go to the scout shop and get the whole deal with patches sewn on and pants hemmed you are well over a hundred bucks. I have always just built it in pieces, with the socks being the very last piece. You can get blue pants at Wally World for $10 that they can still wear at school. And always remember the metal slide is optional, most seasoned scouts and scouters have ones they have made. 1/2 inch PBS pipe decorated with fabric or paint is just fine. Makes a good den activity. I am sure there

I have no experience with GS, but how is selling cookies any different than Cub/BS selling popcorn ? Is there a larger focus on it than is the BSA ?

Don't just go to a police station again. Do it later In the year or do something else like visit the juvenile detention center. Hehe. There are consequences larger than getting your game system taken away for a week. Do you have a local FBI crime lab? Use your judgement to make it more meaningful. Example. In Webelos we did not visit a "scientist" per say with beakers and goggles. We toured the water treatment plant. There is a lot of science involved and the workers there use a lot of science and testing to ensure our water supply is safe. A waste treatment plant would be another good one.

When they get to Boy Scouts every troop meeting will begin and end with a flag ceremony. Pack meetings should as well, but often do not. In wolf each boy was to Lead a ceremony. So in a den of 6 that is at least six ceremonies. In direct response to your question, yes the purpose is to reinforce what thay have learned and to take it a step further. Many requirements are repeated each year, usually it is expected to make them more complex or fine tune their skills. The flag ceremony requirements are in Webelos also. Even in Webelos it is hard to get the boys to stand still, march in step and not horse around. Unless you have exceptional children I am sure the flag ceremony they performed did not look like a military honor guard at Arlington. Not that that level is the goal, but improvement is. Did the wolves actually get the flag folded up into 13 perfect triangles. Not likely. You dont teach your kids to swim and then expect them to pick right up where they left off 3 years later after never seeing the water. One thing that has helped me tremendously is reading large parts of the Boy Scout handbook. I have a much better understanding why cubs do many seemingly silly "make work" exercises in the requirements and electives. Example in wolf one elective is to measure the span between your thumb and index finger. Seems silly in a vacuum, but knowing that measurement is used in Scoutcraft skills to measure distances of far away objects. All the job chart exercises year after year are direct training for the family life and personal management Eagle required Merit Badges. The WHY things a re done in cubs is not explained very well, and if they tried to do that it would make the leader guides and handbooks to large and comlpex. Sure there are mistakes here and there but for the most part you just need to trust that the developers of the program know what they are doing.