scoutldr

Quack, quack.

Thanks, Bob. You saved me the trouble of researching Beavah's question, which I think was tongue in cheek anyway. I am not an attorney, but in my profession, we read and interpret legalese every day. I apply the "duck test" and the "reasonable man" theory. It has served me well.

In my council (er, I mean the "Council to which I donate tons of money and hours"), it is forbidden for scouts to raise funds for other organizations...ESPECIALLY while wearing the uniform.

Be a role model of physical fitness AND have WB21??? Well that narrows it down to about 3 people in my council.

Would you have time to squeeze in some waterfront first aid and safety? Sun protection, hydration, common waterfront injuries, such as cut feet, basic intro to CPR, etc. Buddy system? Intro to Safe Swim Defense?

It sounds like Lisa's dilemma is that all the adults are equally qualified, and they just can't decide. I would suggest drawing a name out of a hat, rather than add unit-level requirements to the OA criteria.

Short answer - yes.

Again, all we're spouting here is personal opinion and laymens' interpretations which aren't worth a bucket of warm spit. I have seen nothing that convinces me that any one opinion is any more valid than another, much less a chapter and verse reference. All of the Eagle projects I've been involved in have been "Troop Events", and I would expect all BSA policies and insurance to apply. But people (and insurance companies) are surprised by Judges' decisions every day. If, however, the Scout executes the project on his own, without the assistance of other BSA members, that's a different situation. And I agree with Eamonn...I ain't losing sleep over any of this. Some people just enjoy arguing.

Barry, your minister is quoting Curly from the movie "City Slickers."... The only inappropriate question I ever heard in an EBOR was when the Troop CC asked the Scout, "Tell us about your sex life."

Only one or two of us here are practicing attorneys. I think we should leave the legal liability and insurance questions up to to them. As to uniforms, I think the attire worn should be suitable to the environment and the work to be done. I find such gratification in the fact that the Eagle candidate has reached the point of actually executing his plan, and his troop-mates, friends, and family are giving up their time to support him, I would never, never criticise his uniform, or lack thereof.

There are 2 kinds of scout shops...National-run and council-run. Ours is council-run and they are selling Switchbacks 2 pair for $45, while supplies last.

His parents should have also given him the "Be polite to adults" lecture. Or better yet, the "don't talk to strangers" lecture. If I were the "kid", I would have responded, "Yes, sir, I sure do like hot sauce!" Different times.

Ed is correct...dual registrations are common, and only require one registration fee. The boy scout should be encouraged to become a Den Chief if he still wants to be active with the Pack. That being said, the only camping the Pack should be doing is "Family Camping", so the entire family should be welcomed to participate...and pay their fair share of the expenses either with cash, or through fund raising.

For the first time in 20 some years, I will NOT be going to summer camp!

Ditto...one per household. We add it to their annual registration, so we are always 100%.

The following text is cut and pasted from a Council's web site...the name of the Council has been redacted to protect the guilty... Council policy on unit Web sites Please note that the XXX Council has no current page with links to units. This is being done for a number of reasons, but first and foremost, we are trying to follow the recommendations that we do not allow such a page on our web site. In addition to the bottom listed items we will strongly recommend: A. The person operating your Web Site, be a registered volunteer leader with the Boy Scouts of America. If not, then an employee of the chartering organization. B. The unit own its domain name...for example: www.(council).com is owned by the XXX Council using a service to protect it from being hacked. C. A unit web site should contain no links to any site that sells any products or advertises any products. The sole exceptions would be the XXX Council and of course the chartering organization. D. Doing a web site takes a lot of time and our hope is that if a unit chooses to be put a web site up, that the contact information be correct and current. The web site should be checked weekly for correctness and individuals contacting people at the unit should be able to respond in a timely fashion. The major problem with the vast majority of all unit web sites is old, stale, and non current contact information. Please note, that the XXX Council does not have the current resources to weekly review each unit web site. When a better system can be implemented and we have been granted permission to have unit links again by the National council, we shall proceed, but not until then. We thank you for your understanding of this sensitive Youth Protection and Service to all parties in or seeking to do business with Scouting. These guidelines were approved by the XXX Council Executive Board on , upon recommendation of the Council Marketing Committee. They are adapted from policy established by the BSA Electronics Publishing Division for council Web sites. Only unit web sites that adhere to these guidelines may be linked to the official XXX Council web site. The appropriate unit leadership must have control over the content of the unit's official web site (i.e. the unit committee, uniformed leadership and chartered partner representative). If youth members are involved, they must be under the direct supervision of adults who have control of all content. The content of the unit site must be appropriate to the Scouting movement and consistent with the Scout Law. A unit site shall not contain any links directly to any site that contains material that is not appropriate to the Scouting movement. A unit web site should not contain full names, addresses, telephone numbers, e-mail addresses or other identifying information about youth members. No unit site should contain bulletin boards or chat rooms that make it possible for youth members to communicate with others through the site. A unit site should consider the safety and privacy of members by obtaining permissions to release information about or identifying images of any specific person. Preferably, a unit site should not contain any advertisements or commercial endorsements, except for the organization providing the site service if its provided for free or at discount. If a site does contain advertising, care should be taken to make certain that none of the advertising is inconsistent with the purposes of Scouting. A standard money-earning application must be filed with the council before any merchandise is offered for sale on a unit web site. No merchandise can be sold through a unit web site using electronic fund transfers. A unit site must abide by all laws regarding copyrights, trademarks and other intellectual property. A unit site must include the name of the unit's chartered partner, contact information for the unit committee and an e-mail contact address for reaching the person managing the site, so visitors can report any problems or concerns. A unit web site should never be made to appear more official than it is. The page should not represent itself as an official publication of the council or national organization of Boy Scouts of America, not even to casual readers. Should a unit web site move or be abandoned after a link to the council site is established, the council should be notified by e-mail or other means, so that the link can be changed or removed. (This message has been edited by scoutldr)(This message has been edited by scoutldr)

It would be improper to wear both patches. Choose one. I would say, wear the PL patch and the den chief's cord. That should suffice.

I can hear the cubbies now..."What's film?"

There are no rules. THe Eagle court should be whatever the Eagle and his parents want, within reason. I would encourage him to maintain the dignity and respect that the momentous occasion is deserving of. We are beginning to plan an outdoor ceremony at our local camp with a campfire background.

My understanding from previous posts is that Wildernesstudent is a youth advisor in a non-scouting organization.

Reading the text of the link that Basementdweller posted, it appears that "overnighters" need to be a Pack activity...not a Den activity. BALOO training, a tour permit, and an approved site are required. "Pack overnighters are pack-organized overnight events involving more than one family from a single pack, focused on age-appropriate Cub Scout activities and conducted at council-approved sites. If nonmembers (siblings) participate, the event must be structured to accommodate them. BSA health and safety and Youth Protection guidelines apply. In most cases, each youth member will be under the supervision of a parent or guardian. In all cases, each youth participant is responsible to a specific adult. Adults giving leadership to a pack overnighter must complete the Basic Adult Leader Outdoor Orientation (BALOO) to properly understand the importance of the program intent, Youth Protection guidelines, health and safety, site selection, age-appropriate activities, and sufficient adult participation. Permits for campouts are issued locally. Packs use the Local Tour Permit Application (see the Forms page)."

I think I read here once before, that with ScoutNet registration, the computer won't accept their troop registration if they don't meet the age requirement. Wonderful thing about computers...they don't fudge the rules.

"The situation came up when my husband, took my son to work to learn about metalwork. He took the requirements with him and they made the two projects. They completed the badge together and my son had a great time with his dad. Nothing wrong with alittle dad and son time." Nothing wrong at all...as long as Dad is a registered Merit Badge Counselor before they begin work.

Ditto what Eagle69 said. I sit on lots of EBOR as the District rep, and I have never seen a project workbook in excess of, say, 20 pages, including photos. 100-300 pages??? That's ridiculous.(This message has been edited by scoutldr)

Welcome to our campfire, bfloyd. Built a new drive-in theater??? Way cool!!!!