scoutldr

Maybe that's because there ain't any....maybe we're all just making it up as we go along! How do I know there IS a BSA "higher power"? I ain't never seen it!

Ya want official policy, you say??? Yah can't get thaya from heah!

Then what's the point of having this forum? Everything here is just "opinion", unless supported by a reference, which seldom happens. Even with a reference, the interpretations are all over the map. That's all this is...a forum for opinions and observations. If you want a firm policy decision or interpretation, the user is well advised to get it from the SE in his/her Council. A lot of what is asked here could be gleaned by a few minutes of research with Google. Doesn't everyone have Google? Why do they need us? When I do give an opinion or engage in debate, I try to give references and/or state my qualifications. There are those here, however, when armed with absolutely NO qualiifications in the subject at hand (such as medicine or law), will argue their point just as fervently, even when proven wrong. Caveat emptor. When you ask for free advice, you get what you pay for.

I know for a fact there is an afterlife. I saw it on "Ghost Hunters".

www.mvcbsa.com/training/Forms/Training%20Codes.pdf Try 9128

"Just say NO"

Actually, the word is "pooh-pooh". "Poo-poo" is something else, but you'll find a lot of that here too, especially the bovine variety.

I don't think anyone is advocating earning every MB...just recognizing those who have, whatever their motivation. Personally, I think the palms are enough, but if Troy wants to pursue his dream, more power to him. From what we're hearing about the new uniform, it will be a moot point anyway. I think this horse is dead.

In our council, cub camping areas are approved by the Council camping committee. See if yours has a list of approved areas. I'm not sure if there's a rule or not...

Carbo diem!

"External medications are far less likely to cause additional harm. Side effects from external meds usually manifest as skin irritations and in nearly every situation can be mitigated or reversed simply by removing the sustance. The same is not true of internal medications." Bob, you need to quit spouting things about which you obviously know little. I am not a physician or nurse, but I do have formal graduate level training in Toxicology and physiology...my profession deals with industrial poisons and other health hazards. Your statement above is just plain wrong. We call these "routes of entry" and one of the most common ways for a poison (or medication) to reach a target organ is via transcutaneous absorption. As the father of my profession, Paracelsus said, "All things are poisons...only the dose determines which are toxic."

Well, since you asked. I was raised Lutheran and am a scientist. I guess that makes me a Christian scientist, no? I believe in God, who created the heavens and earth...and He created evolution, and the Big Bang, and black holes.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program...the difficulty you were experiencing was not in your receiver.

You are going to work many long hours for scant reward, including most evenings and weekends. If you have a family, are they OK with that?

And sometimes even the wacky ones get approved, vis a vis the NESA knot and the current uniform design.

The point of my post was not to shoot GaHillBilly (although he needed shootin', which I understand is a valid defense in GA). :-) The point is, kids with major health issues are being mainstreamed, not only in the schools, but also in Scouts. I always tell the HIV story when I teach BSA Lifeguard. There are HIV positive folks among us, we don't know who they are and they ain't tellin'. Universal precautions are required, no matter who it is. To use my wife's line, "if it's wet and it's not yours, DON'T TOUCH IT!!!" Likewise, for the novice Scouters who may be reading this Board, CYA is not a bad policy. For myself, I have had more than a little First Aid training and was an ARC instructor in both First Aid and WSI at one point. When faced with a crisis, I don't know what I would do, but like Gunny, I hope I wouldn't freeze with panic if I had resources available. Like my wife, I'll deal with the lawyers later, but I need to be able to look at myself in the mirror the rest of my life. And I would expect any of you to do the same for me if it came to it.

I thought that was the UC hymn. I would want the DE to understand that there is more to Scouting than "meeting your numbers." And that, as a volunteer, my goals are not necessarily the same, and I am just that...a VOLUNTEER...I do have a real job to pay the bills, and Scouting is what I do for fun in my SPARE time. When it starts to feel like a JOB with a BOSS (DE), I will find some other way to spend my SPARE TIME.

Perfect!

"But it doesn't really matter. Anyone with a high school degree could learn EVERYTHING they needed to do the job in a single week training course. I mean, how hard is it to learn to distinguish clear snot from yellow bloody snot, or to take a temperature electronically. Most job applicants come already possessing the essential care skill (using a phone), since the primary care such nurses provide is to call the parent(s)." Ahhh, GAHillBilly...if my wife saw this, she'd rip your throat out. Seriously, in this state (YMMV), and in her school, she has children with major health issues, since it is their "right" to be included in mainstream education. She has had a kindergartner with HIV (which she only discovered because she had an immunization exemption from a local HIV specialist, and was not allowed to tell anyone else, even the Principal and teacher), children with tracheostomies, feeding tubes, terminal cancer, diabetes, quadraplegics, etc. She also conducts primary health screenings for vision, hearing, scoliosis, and yes, headlice. About a week ago, she discovered an advanced bone tumor on a third grader's upper arm. The parents were mortified that they had not noticed the baseball sized lump, since the kid now bathes himself. For many of the lower income students, she is the ONLY primary care provider. She is also responsible for the adult staff, and has handled strokes, heart attacks, and diabetic reactions. Yes, she hands out a lot of ADHD meds, but nearly so much now that they have the long-acting ones. A few months ago, she did have a student with an anaphylactic reaction to some insect bite and she used another student's epi-pen. The kid was in full respiratory arrest. EMS took 20 minutes to get there, and by then the kid was bouncing off the walls from the adrenaline. She rode in the ambulance with the kid and the ER doc complimented her for saving his life. But her nursing license was on the line, should it have turned out differently. Her response was, "I could live without a license, but I could never have lived with myself if I had to watch one of my kids die and I didn't try something." The parents were eternally grateful and replaced the epi-pen. The kid had one at home, but they never bothered to bring one to school because they were just too busy. PS: My wife wants your phone number...(This message has been edited by scoutldr)

No, I say, "Bobby, are you supposed to be taking some meds?" If he says "yes", I show him where the briefcase is. If he says "No", I'm done. I remember buying Ludens Cherry cough drops for 10 cents at school. Nowadays, kids get suspended for having them on their person, and even worse if they give them to another student.

Gotta agree with Bob here. As I have stated here before, my wife is an elementary school nurse (licensed RN). In this state, she cannot even give a child a TUMS without a written order from a physician. A note from the parent is not good enough, and the child is not allowed to possess the meds. If the parent wants to drive up to school and administer it, that's fine. I follow the same rule in scouting. If a scout needs meds, he has to bring them, and be responsible for taking them. I will be happy to store them in my briefcase, but that's it. Yes, we will give a gentle reminder if needed, but we will not actually administer.

Now you did it, Eamonn. Argyle closed his account!!! It was fun reading through the old thread, though...FOG, NJCubScouter, saltheart, KoreaScouter, TrailPounder, TwoCubDad...where are they now?

Sorry, skeptic. I didn't get my Eagletter until yesterday, and I read the article. Maybe the clique should get their own Scouter.com knot. It could have a bronze, silver or gold border depending on the number of posts. It seems every thread I start never lives past 2 or 3 replies, if any. Don't feel special. It's not a right wing conspiracy.

While the scholarships are nice, very few are handed out, and appear to have been funded by private endowments. I have been told that every SE gets a copy of the NESA membership roster for his/her Council. NESA members are considered "low hanging fruit" for Commissioner recruiting and FOS donations. The only real benefit NESA has been for me is a resume entry. There is no active chapter in my area. I, too got the postcards in the mail for the NESA directory. The company is Harris Direct, which also publishes alumni directories. These are commonly used as sales leads. I'm not willing to buy the book just to see my name in print, so I passed on the offer to be listed.

I just took a tour of your website, and enjoyed the great pictures of your brother. He does look like a great Scout, and I'm sure he's missed by many. I won't say whether I agree or disagree with your efforts...I'm not eligible for the knot anyway. If the BSA agrees to endorse it, more power to you. I also agree that what knots one chooses to wear is a personal decision...there are some here who think we shouldn't wear ANY...even the official BSA ones. Just one comment on your "Registry", though...BSA policy on websites is that Scouts under the age of 18 should not be identified by full names. I don't know the ages of those on your registry, however it might be seen as "good faith" if you adhered to the BSA Youth Protection guidelines, even though yours is a private website. Perhaps a disclaimer that "all Scouts listed on this website are over the age of 18"...or something similar. Perhaps add the year that they earned Eagle...that would be nice.