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  1. Typical BSA member insulting an atheist yet again. It's possible I don't know what YOU are really saying, but I'd put that down to your incoherence.
  2. Which is nonsense. Gods never show up to state what these morals are, it's always only humans. Christianity has changed drastically over centuries. Different Christian sects don't agree on what is moral even though they supposedly all worship the same god. And since gods can have any morals, theists can claim any behavior as moral, too. And theists could say slavery is moral today too, because it's really only their opinion of what is and isn't moral; they only claim they know what their god wants, like the Southern Baptist Convention in 1845.
  3. SSScout, theists (mostly Christians in the US) are constantly using that exact argument to claim atheists are innately immoral, as people like Eagledad has. I will not interpret it any other way.
  4. Typical BSA member insulting an atheist for not being humble when insulted.
  5. Neither are religious tenets, of course, but plenty of people pretend they are, which is simply not dealing with reality.
  6. And it's always, always, always religion that gets the credit.
  7. When people who belong to an organization that denegrates atheists like the BSA, and denegrate the morals of atheists, I'll respond. If you don't like that, that's your problem.
  8. I agree, but since religions have axioms that cannot even be questioned, they are even worse at trying to settle moral questions. And I guess he and/or god wasn't omnipotent, at least back then. Hey, the Qin Dynasty outlawed slavery over 200 years before Jesus showed up, so why couldn't he tell people not to own slaves? It's possible to not own slaves even if the government allows it, so why didn't he tell people that? No, there's more than one promise, and there's one that omits any gods: https://members.scouts.org.uk/documents/AdultSupport/Promise/FS322016.pdf And B-P supposedly composed the “Outlander's Promise”. I'm pointing out that you are just doing "my religion says X, therefor anyone who believes X got it from my religion".
  9. That's a good reason to not use faith-based assumptions to decide morals. What? When did Jesus condemn slavery? Wrong. See Welsh v. United States (1970) and Seeger v. United States (1965). The law was written as if a "higher authority" was required, but the supreme court ruled that CO status could not be exclusive to only god-believers, or only to people who belonged to a religion that taught pacifism. By the way, the plaintiff (Elliott Welsh) was also the father of Mark Welsh in Welsh v. Boy Scouts of America (1993) The UK explicitly allows atheists now. WOSM still hasn't said anything about that, as far as I've heard. This is the same old lie that "if my religion teaches X, anyone who also says X got it from my religion".
  10. Yep, and they don't agree on even basic questions. And when religious tenets on morality conflict, either one side admits their god is wrong (or doesn't exist), or both sides dig in and insist their view is the only correct one. This is not useful in deciding morals. And all religions today have been exposed to new and conflicting moral values, which is why religions like the SBC used to support slavery but now don't. Society changed them. And vice-versa. Christianity definitely supported slavery for centuries, until it was changed due to societal pressure. But I was replying to this statement of yours: "Like you, I do not believe that atheists would have a moral code without religions that define right and wrong. " Right there, you're saying atheists would not have a moral code, period, without religions that define right and wrong, which is a very different claim. Drop them with a bible and tell them it holds all absolute morals that they all must follow and see if they contradict the bible and decide that slavery is wrong.
  11. I think the BSA's decades-long disparagement of atheists both by word and deed contributes to the slurs against atheists in this forum. You know, like when scouts write things like "Merlyn ... You're the Stalin of the web era", as if I'm equivalent to a mass murderer. Oh, that was you who wrote that.
  12. What, like your nonsense replies? I give back what replies deserve. PS: what you have are humans claiming their god wrote the ten commandments. It's still humans all the way up.
  13. Go ahead and argue that it's good. So slavery is moral? You can buy slaves from other countries and leave them as property to your children? But you're getting that from religion. Humans wrote the bible. I see you didn't understand my comment. There ARE unicorns in the bible, and false animal husbandry.
  14. Go right ahead and argue that it's good. This is just silly. Morals are opinions. Gods have nothing to do with it. That's why religions keep changing what is moral or immoral. Christianity said slavery was fine for centuries. How did the SBC change then? They didn't claim their god showed up and corrected them. And your assertion is no different than saying "elves" give people their morality. It's just baseless assertions.