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On the question of refunding fees: Refund of Summer camp fees is up to the Camp Director, not the unit. Usually the answer is no. At the unit level, once the trip has begun, all fees are spent, since food was bought, transportation provided, etc. Again the answer is no. I would entertain a request for a refund only in cases of emergency, when the scout cannot attend through no fault of his own. Never had to send a boy home. Usually the biggest PITA were the leaders' kids!

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We have to register for MB months in advance. If the scout decides up front that he doesnt' want to do MB, and his parents agree, who are we to disagree? It's when he signs up for MB and then we find out the last day that he didn't go to the "sessions" (we're not allowed to call them "classes") that we get upset.

There was an attempt to get a BSA plate in Virginia, but they require 350 prepaid applications prior to putting one into production. It's not yet been successful. We can personalize plates with 6 or 7 characters, depending on the plate design selected. Sad that we can get a plate for "Tobacco Heritage" and "Parrotheads", but not for Scouting.

I liked his answers...sounds like he was not in agreement with the past BSA administration's strategy.

Ahhh...the retro look. The green wool jac-shirt (not "jack") was worn by scouts in the 60's. Red was for adults and Explorers. (Coordinated with the garter tabs on the knee socks). I believe they were made by Woolrich. There also was a limited edition green/red plaid. Check out any BSA catalog from that era. Not many scouts wore them, because even back then, they were expensive, relatively speaking.

I was awarded the Eagle in 1970. I was a member of an Explorer Post, sponsored by a Vol Fire Dept. I have a photo of myself and my bride to be, age 16, admiring my new medal on my uniform. For some reason, I received 2 medals. One in the presentation kit, and another by itself in a silver colored box. I never really knew why. THis past Sunday, Mrs. G, the wife of my late Post Advisor, called and said, "they were cleaning out the shed behind the firehouse and found something that belongs to you. An Eagle Scout certificate in a broken frame and wallet card with your name on them." I said that was odd, because I have a certificate and wallet card. So, I promised to come see her and retrieve my "duplicate" Eagle credentials. Still have no idea why I would have been issued two. "The Commissioner" suggests something akin to the Congressional Medal of Honor where it is illegal to own one unless you are the rightful recipient or survivor. A noble thought, but not practical. I too have had the thought of bidding on every one I see, to be the "caretaker" of someone's award...but I don't have that much money. It's sad that there are no family members who would care for it.

The good news is, by the time your form gets signed, you'll have a whole year to go and won't need another "last minute" physical next year. ;-)

"Technically we are 2 dens, but we do everything together." 1. Technically they are 2 dens (even though they meet together). 2. There are no bear dens in the pack. 3. The Webelos were invited, but chose not to attend. 4. Of those who attended, their families went too. Sounds like a "Pack Family Campout" to me. What's the problem here, guys?

Camp Chickahominy - Colonial Virginia Council Replaced by Bayport Scout Reservation (first year 2007)

How goes your quest to get BSA to authorize the knot for uniform wear? I see on your registry that you are identifying some scouts by first name only. Thank you for respecting the Youth Protection guidelines. I also note a large percentage are from Utah - LDS troops?

A psychiatrist once told me, "Make sure your own oxygen mask is securely fastened before trying to assist others."

Never mind... (good job, ketchome)

I am in the second group. My sons are now 30 and 26, but I am still active at the unit as the CC. The SM and primary ASM are in the same boat.

Good point, pack. I was assuming that the DAC was anticipating the upcoming EBOR on which he would be sitting, and trying to plot out what to do following the "no" vote. After re-reading the thread, I'm not sure either. But that doesn't change my position.

"In this case, the leader knows something without doubt. There was a crime. There was a confession. There was an apology." If this is indeed true, then there should not be an EBOR. The SM should not sign the application because all of the requirements have not been met, to wit, Scout Spirit. When you knowingly commit a criminal or immoral act, you should permanently forfeit your right to be held up as a role model to all other scouts. When the SM signs the application, he is certifying, on HIS honor, to the EBOR, the Council, the National Council (and to ALL the Eagle Scouts who have come before), and to the general public, that "this Scout is worthy of Scouting's highest honor, the title of Eagle Scout." Someone asked me in a previous post why my Scouting career is coming to a close...this type of thing is in the top 10 reasons. I have witnessed more than one instance lately where the term "Eagle Scout" is a joke. It no longer has prestige and honor to those who receive it...just another resume entry...check the block and move on to the next spoonfeeding. Harsh, maybe...but as a Scout and Scouter since 1963, those are my thoughts.

What amazes me is that a scout can commit crimes and still think they deserve the Eagle. When did we (parents) stop teaching shame and humility? I'm sick of the pervasive attitude that "I'm special, you need to give me what I want regardless of what the rules say."

This illustrates one of the pitfalls of waiting until a scout is near 18 before finishing. Since ALL requirements except the BOR MUST be completed before the 18th birthday, there is no time to go back and re-do requirements, including "Scout Spirit". My opinion is, it's in the hands of the BOR now. The decision must be unanimous. If he doesn't like the outcome, he can appeal the decision. Even if it were allowed, not sure what he could do in a 60 day period to change their minds.

Never really gave it much thought...my scouts complteted it at summer camp.

To my knowledge, I've never been moderated or "ignored", except by my wife and kids. I must not be doing it right.

How many DEs out there actually sit down and meet with every CO in their district to remind them (cordially) of their responsibilities? Isn't that one of their job requirements? How many Unit Commissioners include the CO and COR unit relationship when they are "inspecting" the unit's health? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

"First you will need to get rid of all the lawyers" Well, that's a good start. (Sorry, Beavah! ) Our situation is very similar to Gern's except he gets a closet! I'm jealous! We have to rent a storage unit. Our CO even asked us not to turn on the heat in the winter because it cost them money. I can see the pros and cons. Since the BSA can use to CO to shift liability, it probably won't change.

I guess I'm OK...I like white rice AND black beans...together, even.

Beavah said, "So a move to "local option" has zero legal effect. The liability is always on da CO, regardless." The reality is that most CO's don't understand this, due to slick talking DEs whose main priority is to get a new unit going so they can stay employed for another year. I dare say that if all COs were made fully aware of their liabilities and held accountable for their obligations under the charter agreement, a lot of units would be sent packing, including my own. I think it is for the BSA to issue joining requirements, then point at the CO as the bad guy when it hits the fan. Maybe this whole rhubarb would be avoided if BSA would abandon the "chartering organization" concept and take over control of the units, as the GSUSA did. I think the whole concept is confusing and frought with incongruities. B-P's concept, if I remember correctly, was to issue a "warrant" to the Scoutmaster, which empowered him to form and operate a scout group.

I don't remember reading anything about restaurants in the Constitution.