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Same could be said about the OA flap. The day your Lodge dues expire, the flap should come off.

Well, you could do your civic duty and report him to the FBI. A few years in the federal penitentiary and a huge fine should make him see the error of his ways. Seriously, you know what is within your power to do. Vote with your feet. Find another unit led by people who fit your vision of "trustworthy, loyal, helpful, etc." And let the unit's chartered organization and Council know why you are leaving. They are the ones who have the liability here....and the deep pockets. My observation is that this is the "new morality"...whatever you can get away with is ok. We turn a blind eye to our kids when they rip off music from websites, or copy CDs and pass them around.

The scout should not leave the BOR not understanding why he was not approved. If he was asked to come back in two weeks, he should be clear on what the board is expecting to see/hear when he comes back.

Over the years, I received little trinkets, but to be honest, I don't know where they are now. The best gifts are those scouts who still keep in touch with me over the years. It warms my heart to know they are doing well and grew up to be contributing members of society with families of their own now. One will be graduating from the Naval Academy this year and two brothers served together in Afghanistan. One is a marine engineer who just got his 2nd Asst Engineer's license from the Coast Guard. I still run into parents out in town who stop me and thank me for the many hours we put in to help raise their sons. You're very welcome.

In the US, every student is taught that Wikipedia is not an "authoritative resource" for doing research. Anyone can author an article and anyone can edit it.

Those of us with government clearances are taught that we shouldn't advertise that fact nor disclose our level of access to those who don't have a need to know. We've even been told to quit advertising that we are affiliated with the military by scraping decals and stickers off our cars, don't wear military-themed clothing and cleanse our social media presence. Just sayin...

Yes, we use the local LDS church for district meetings, OA chapter meetings, training, etc. Only drawback is we can't serve caffeine. We would have LDS units at camporees and the only difference would be when they would pack up Saturday night and go home.

I would discuss with the scout how he plans to show "leadership" through the project. It is not so much the number of hours or product or service that is produced, but how the plan is executed. I also told them my standard is to have enough detail that, should the scout get hit by a truck, someone else coule pick up the plan and carry out the project without him. I learned what the District guy would look for (safety, power tools, budget, fundraising, etc) and would screen for that. It was not an automatic signature...several got sent back for re-work before it went to district.

Grusse!

I agree with Torchwood, but we must be old-school. The trend now seems to be that the entire den marches in lock-step and is spoon fed at the same rate, so they all are "rewarded" at the same time. Maybe the program has changed...?

Kids who have never been told "no" or were never allowed to fail are now showing up in the workplace. They are a real PITA. The same performance awards and promotions are expected by all, regardless of their actual performance.

In my opinion, that was a very unconventional EBOR. ONE person?

Is this not the very definition of atheism? I would make sure that the boy and his parents are saying exactly what he means. If he is sure, then he is ineligible for membership and may not be awarded the Eagle. This really isn't that hard. If this is not a new belief, then he probably shouldn't have come this far before having the rug pulled out from under him. That's not to say he's a bad kid. Just not eligible for membership.

The irony here is that if the boy declared he had the same religious beliefs as Osama bin Laden, we would put a check mark in the box and schedule the Court of Honor.

That's where I'm at. I would walk rather than compromise my moral position so that drug dealers can be awarded the Eagle.

Agree with packsaddle. The problem is the BSA won't clearly define what they expect out of fear of alienating blocs of membership (and financial support). If you try to please everyone, no one will be happy. They need to either clearly delineate a religious requirement, or drop the matter entirely and accept all in the hopes that participation will make them better citizens. As my dear Mom used to say, "time to get off the pot."

If you buy concert or movie tickets, and don't show up, will they hold a "make-up" concert for you? Deal with the boys who show up and don't worry about the others. THeir parents have made the choice that they didn't need to attend, for whatever reason. Also, my opinion is that 14 boys should be TWO dens, not one. Just my two cents...

In my state, "dealing" is a felony. If this had happened in my unit, there would be no discussion of having SM conferences or EBORs. THey would be removed from the unit roster. Your CO decides who can be members of your unit, not Council. If Council feels they should be reinstated and awarded Eagle, let them find another unit to register them in. Actions have consequences, and this is a life lesson for ALL the boys, not just the criminals.

Merry Christmas, Mate! I'll raise a pint in your honor tonight!

Just start a new thread.

After reading this thread, just realized it is from 2011. Like Kahuna, I liked the unform of the 60's and early 70's including the Explorer green with brown tie and white belt. I especially liked the oxford cloth heavy fabric, and hated the light fabric of the 80s that would lose its sizing (stiffness) after a few washes and was prone to pilling.

Well, legally, I guess you could swear out a "warrant in debt" and get a judgment in small claims court. Collecting is another matter. Of course, since the unit AND the money are owned by your CO, they are probably the ones who would have to take legal action. Barring that, there's nothing else you can do that won't directly harm the scout. (revoke membership)? I see no other choice but to "suck it up" and pay the council what is owed out of unit funds. You may have to add a surcharge to next year's dues to cover theft. If the family is military, you have a few other options.

Perhaps we are at the point where no product is delivered until there is cash in hand. If the scout "took orders" and customers gave him money up front, he (or mom) needs to deal with the customers, not the unit. If I were at the unit level, I would not issue out product to scouts without payment up front.

At the convenience of the volunteer leaders. They are donating their time (and usually money). They get to pick.

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