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    Mom of a Life Scout.
    former pack advancement chair
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  1. Membership fees increasing again

    Not a district thing, its a council thing.
  2. Membership fees increasing again

    Our council implemented a $22 per registration (youth and adult) "activity" fee instead of collecting for FOS. $33.00 national + $12 boys life + $22 activity fee = $67 per scout just to register :-(
  3. New Transportation Training Resources

    In case anyone is interested..... http://www.scouting.org/nsc.aspx
  4. Sleeping in a cabin during the winter does not count towards advancement or nights for the camping merit badge, yet we have plenty of boys advance in rank and get the merit badge. All I said is that if a scout is not prepared we do not allow him to sleep outside during the coldest months. The cabins have wood stoves, bunks and electricity but they are far from the Holiday Inn. The scouts spend their days outside and have the appropriate clothing for that. All of our leaders and many of our older scouts have the equipment and "training" to stay safe in those overnight temperatures and some of them do sleep outside all winter. We generally have one camp out in the winter that has a very large porch that is covered but unheated. Scouts are encouraged to set up their tents there to "test" winter camping if they are unsure. It gives them a safer feeling knowing that if they are cold they can go inside the cabin during the night. Our unit feels that it is better to get a scout out, away from electronics, and spending time with friends, even if they only have a 40 degree sleeping bag. Your unit may do things differently, but this works for our unit and our scouts.
  5. The Scoutson/Scoutmaster relationship

    My husband is my son's Scoutmaster. I think most of the time if an outsider showed up to a scouting event they would have no idea that they are related. My husband does not sign off on advancement for our son and all SMC have been held with ASM in our troop. They do share a tent sometimes on camping trips because my son has complex medical needs and requires my husband's assistance on occasion. This summer our son will not be attending summer camp (for the first time) but my husband will be there for the week, as usual. I do think he is sad about it though.
  6. One of the things that i am noticing is that people are using "camping" and "tent camping" interchangeably. We live in the northeast and while many of our scouts have over 100 nights camping, they are not all TENT camping. While it is allowed, most of our scouts do not have the proper equipment to camp in a tent in the coldest winter months of Dec. Jan. Feb. and March when we have snow on the ground and overnight temperatures often dip down to below 0 and we will not allow scouts to camp in conditions for which they are not prepared. Our troop rents a cabin during those months. Depending on what time of the month the troop camps in Nov. and April scouts may not have the proper equipment either. Just because they are not TENT camping does not mean that the scouts do not get outdoors and do not work on requirements. If a scout is active in multiple sports I can understand why they might not have the required number of nights TENT camping, but that doesn't necessarily mean that a scout hasn't camped. The outdoor program is just one of eight methods of scouting. It is NOT supposed to be the entire focus. The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law. Not to turn them into campers or outdoors men. Just because a scout doesn't enjoy camping does not make them any less of a scout than anyone else. My .02
  7. Could the committee want someone there to see how the scout is demonstrating leadership? This would not be a reason to delay the project, however. There is nothing that says a committee member must be present for an Eagle Scout Service Project. Although I don't believe we have had scouts complete projects where no unit adults were present, I believe it could happen. If there is a question about how the scout demonstrated leadership in this case the committee could talk to any of the adults present. As a committee member, I do not always work on the service project but I almost always stop in to see how everything is going and see if everything is needed. It gives me an opportunity to see the scout "in action" so to speak and speak with the other adults there. I would not consider an Eagle Project a "troop activity". Eagle Scout projects are arranged and managed by the Scout, not the troop. Scouts can perform service without troop leadership present as in the example of a patrol service project or of a scout does community service for an organization on his own to get service hours for advancement.
  8. Expired Merit Badge Counselor

    My council has a form that we need to print out that list the scout's name the merit badge he is receiving, the date of completion and the counselors name. They must be turned in with the advancement reports so council can be sure the MBC is on the list. I usually don't have trouble getting awards but some overzealous Scout Shop employees want to check the paperwork. MBC lists are put together by our districts. Every year they confirm YPT and ask if the counselor wants to stay on the list or be dropped. At least that is how our old district did it, we had a district reorganization take effect Jan. 1 (our old district was dissolved, separated and merged into other existing districts) and we haven't received a list from the new district (DAC called our old district's MBC list "a mess")
  9. Eagle references

    In our council references are checked by the unit, in our case, me, the advancement coordinator and I fill out a form stating that I checked the references and not anything negative. That form gets submitted to the council with the Eagle Package. I send requests via email and prefer to get an email response. If I can't get a response via email I call the reference and take notes on our conversation. At the Eagle Board of Review I provide the letters and/or my notes to the board to review. The letters are not given to the scout per the GTA.
  10. Dilemma

    IMO what would be unfair is making scouts who finished the requirements and had their SMC at the last troop meeting of the year do the new requirements because we couldn't get a BOR together the last 2 weeks of the year (for various reasons) As far as the original poster goes, it begs the question of why a BOR has not been completed before now and exactly when did he complete the requirements. Just because you are involved in other activities does not preclude you from the rules everyone must follow. Was there an attempt by the committee to be more flexible about their boards to accommodate the scout, why couldn't the scout speak to their coach about being late to or leaving early from practice. I think honest answers to those questions should determine the answer. Scouting is about character building, if the scout had any opportunity for a BOR far earlier than now and chose not to make an effort than it is on him. On the other hand, if the committee did not make any effort to work with the scout's schedule, that needs to be accounted for (again, my opinion)
  11. Dilemma

    I guess I am missing something. On the Eagle application they look at date of first class rank and above. Internet advancement does not know what requirements a boy used, in fact, the original poster's scout could have been using the new requirements for second class since Jan. 1, 2016. How is anyone (except the unit) to know what requirements he used? Our troop viewed the deadline for boards of review the same way that national looks at the board of review requirements for the eagle rank. If a scout had finished all the requirements up to and including the SMC, the board of review could happen after the "deadline". I believe we had 2 or 3 scouts have their boards of review within the first 2 weeks in Jan. I am not anticipating any problems.
  12. Eagle project hours

    We are going through this now. We have recently been redistricted and the our new DAC has her own way of doing things. I took a Life to Eagle class from her at University of Scouting a couple years ago and it was very clear she did not understand the process as outlined by national. She recently told our Scoutmaster that if a boy wanted Eagle they had to go through her and do it her way. She requires a Life to Eagle class, we tell our boys about it but if they don't go she is threatening to hold them up, I see that as adding to the requirements. She has her own ideas about what an Eagle Project should be. We have 2 excellent Eagle mentors in our troop who work with our scouts on their proposal to be sure it fits within the guidelines and helps them iron out any issues, our committee is thorough and responsible (even though we have a couple members who are crazy with what they want to see in a proposal). None of our Scouts have had their proposal turned away at the district level and I have been told that our boys are some of the most well prepared scouts that our district has seen. So we get this new DAC who insists on meeting with all candidates personally to review their projects, on her schedule, and in her town (about 45 minutes away). She wants to approve the project plan before the boys begin their project as well. We told her that the project plan is "optional" and she replied that it isn't if our scouts want to make Eagle in her district. We have no idea what to expect as far as the project review goes because she is a "my way or the highway" person and requirement 5 is so vague that she can dismiss the project for her own reasons.
  13. What to do with that Eaglet?

    Our youngest Eagle in recent memory was 15. He is the troop guide for the new scout patrol. He likes the title and the new crossovers (and their parents) LOVE that red, white and blue necker! I have spent time just this past week talking to parents who's Cub Scout "will make Eagle, come hell or high water" and a parent who's son wont make it who is complaining about "all this time, wasted". They don't get that the program is about so much more than just a patch on a shirt. So sad, really.
  14. Religious reference letter for Eagle

    In our council, if a Scout does not belong to a religious organization, a Scout's parents can act as the religious reference stating how their son demonstrates a duty to God. As stated above, the ONLY reference that can be left blank is the employer reference if a scout is not employed. We are required to have a religious, an educational and 2 personal references.
  15. Our Scouts knew of the changes since last year. We told them that it might be in their best interest to reach 1st class by Dec 2016 and at T-1 Boards of Review the Scouts decided which requirements they wanted to use going forward. Many finished First Class in time, some didn't. It is what it is.
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