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Merry Christmas, Mate! I'll raise a pint in your honor tonight!

Just start a new thread.

After reading this thread, just realized it is from 2011. Like Kahuna, I liked the unform of the 60's and early 70's including the Explorer green with brown tie and white belt. I especially liked the oxford cloth heavy fabric, and hated the light fabric of the 80s that would lose its sizing (stiffness) after a few washes and was prone to pilling.

Well, legally, I guess you could swear out a "warrant in debt" and get a judgment in small claims court. Collecting is another matter. Of course, since the unit AND the money are owned by your CO, they are probably the ones who would have to take legal action. Barring that, there's nothing else you can do that won't directly harm the scout. (revoke membership)? I see no other choice but to "suck it up" and pay the council what is owed out of unit funds. You may have to add a surcharge to next year's dues to cover theft. If the family is military, you have a few other options.

Perhaps we are at the point where no product is delivered until there is cash in hand. If the scout "took orders" and customers gave him money up front, he (or mom) needs to deal with the customers, not the unit. If I were at the unit level, I would not issue out product to scouts without payment up front.

At the convenience of the volunteer leaders. They are donating their time (and usually money). They get to pick.

Welcome! Grab a cuppa Joe and pull up a chair!

Well, I don't think I would have emailed the parents. This is the boys' activity, not theirs. If the PLC planned this, they should have also planned how to pay for it (which it sounds like they did). The alternative is to go back to the PLC and tell them, if they can't find a way to fund it, then it's canceled. Next year, put it in the annual budget, and publish it to the parents along with all other details of income/expenses. And NO, being SM does not mean you need to fund anything you don't want to. Personally, over the years, I spent thousands on stuff, even anonymously paying for summer camp fees if it meant a scout could not go otherwise. But that was MY decision, not the parents'.

"Two deep" applies to trips and outings. "No one on one contact" applies to all situations. They are not the same thing.

In the words of Arnold Swartzenegger: "Pasta lasagna, baby!"

The green ties were for BS leaders. Blue was for CS leaders and brown was for Explorers. For field and casual occasions, the neckerchief was always appropriate. When I became a Cubmaster in the mid-80's they had come out with a blue necker which had "Cub Scout Leader" embroidered on the back. I still have my brown clip-on from my Exploring days of the early 70s.

The original painting would be worth millions if it's not already in the BSA Museum or the Rockwell Museum in Massachusetts.http://www.nrm.org/apprints/?p=206

I picked up a vintage (maybe 40s?) BSA campaign hat at an estate sale for about $20. It's a size 7, so not even close to fitting me. It hangs on the hat rack in the living room with my wife's grandfathers straw boater from the 20's. @Quasze: size 13??? Really??? I'm impressed!

Stosh...I would have replied, "but my mama taught me to be polite...unlike yours."

With a head size something north of a Size 8 and still sporting a full, thick head of hair (eat your hearts out), I don't wear hats much. Hoods or stocking caps are about all I can get to fit without doing a custom order.

I am posting this at 1412, EST.

Welcome to the campfire, aj! Like LeCastor said, do what you think looks best ... some things arent' worth fretting about!

Once again, instead of being able to vote FOR someone I strongly believe in, I had to vote AGAINST a party's policies I vehemently disagree with. The system is broken.

"federal bird sanctuary" and "private island"...are you sure this is legal?

Forgot to add....dens consisted of all age levels, so you could have wolves, bears and lions all in the same den. Badges and arrow points were completed at home with parents, not in the den. Den meetings were once a week, right after school at the Den Mother's house. Few moms were working back then.

Yes, blw2, I have my Lion badge from when I was in Cubs in the early 60's. We entered as 8 year olds and received the Bobcat pin after learning the promise, law, motto, etc. The first "rank" was Wolf, then Bear then Lion, each with arrow points. Then you moved to a Webelos den where you earned Arrow of Light. Crossed over to BS when age 11. Everything was based on age back then, not grade level.

I don't know how many people are in your council, but in ours, it was not uncommon to have 400+ attend a District Camporee. U of Scouting typically would attract 150-200 adults. If some classes had low turnouts, that gives you a message for next year. Sounds like there is a general apathy in your Council and if they canceled due to lack of interest, there would NEVER be an event held. The solution is in planning a good program...if you build it, they will come. But one crappy unplanned event is enough to turn people away and they will never be back. You have to make it worth their while to give up their time. If not, they've got things to do at home. During my stint as training chair, I would have regularly scheduled courses and decided to do evening sessions when all other districts were doing weekends. I always had standing room only, and most of them were from other districts (which didn't help my training metrics any!).

Is your committee using the Unit budget plan? If not, start. You need to know at the beginning of the year what the Pack expenses will be (including awards and each outing/event) and identify where the funds will come from. If fundraisers are not successful, you will need to charge annual dues. There is no free lunch, especially when it comes to the BSA. Parents will understand this if you keep it simple. If the money doesn't come in, something's gotta go.

Sounds like a SM Minute to me. Your point is well taken, and I think is lost on today's generation of Scouts and parents, who view it as a resume bullet for college. The goal is not advancement. The goal is not to get all the merit badges. The goal is to develop character, and you can't do that with 12 year old Eagles. As a semi-retired Scouter, I still sit and smile when I read on Facebook what my "former" scouts are doing with their lives. Two brothers are serving in the Army and Air Force. One is a senior at the Naval Academy and his brother is in the Va Tech Corps of Cadets. One became a welding foreman at the shipyard and just announced his intent to join the Navy. Another is in NYC trying to break into a Broadway career. My own sons have made me proud and just let me know that Grandchild 3# is in the oven. #2 should be born tomorrow. It is a fortunate man indeed who can look back on his 60 years on the planet and know he can go to his grave (hopefully not too soon!) having made a positive difference in the lives he has touched. I do realize that it wasn't all because of me, but I was part of the "village"...a life well-lived. To my fellow Scouters...don't give up. You ARE making a difference and the rewards will be great.

Which is alarming, since I use this screen name and password for other things.