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What foods Scouts really want: Hot dogs, hamburgers, french fries, pizza, pop tarts, bug juice, peanut butter, chocolate coated sugar cereal. What foods SCouts really DON'T want: Vegetables (except ketchup) and any other food not listed above. Seriously, though, after trying every other method, we have settled on family style with a self-serve salad bar and PBJ table. Some kids eat nothing but PBJ, cookies, and sugar cereal all week. Plus they can buy all the junk and soda they want at the Trading Post ($$$PROFIT!!!). But the goal is to keep them alive, not transform their nutritional habits in 6 days. I understand that there are menu requirements (balanced meals, daily calorie intake, etc) for an accredited camp, but forcing kids to eat what's on the menu is another thing. Not to generalize...some eat very well, some do not. In our area of the country, July is typically 95+degrees and 70%+ humidity. Anything that lessens the time we have to spend sitting in the unairconditioned sauna we call a dining hall is greatly appreciated, especially when uniforms are required at the evening meal.(This message has been edited by scoutldr)

Eamonn, As our esteemed colleague, Bob White is fond of saying (and I paraphrase), those who take the unsubstantiated opinions on this forum as fact without verifying them, are naive and irresponsible. As long as this forum is open to free discussion, it will be a milieu of fact, fiction, policy and BS, as all public forums are. It's up to the reader to sort out which is which. Perhaps we should outlaw OP-Ed columns in newspapers, as well, since the stupid public may get the wrong idea about the Government and our leaders. This country was founded in 1776 on the principle of Freedom of Speech. The forum owner also grants us a degree of freedom and it's up to him to change it if he sees fit. And yes, I am fully aware that there are youth members around. So they are not "Scouters". They are "Scouts". So much of the discussion that goes on is not something they need to know about nor are necessarily interested in, kinda like what goes on behind the curtain in Oz. Just like I am not interested in the merits of Lego containers. If you are proposing to limit the discussions to "Scouter" issues only, let's get serious about it. scoutldr(This message has been edited by scoutldr)

Eammon, I respect your experience and have thoroughly enjoyed your postings and musings over the years. Your charming British accent is evident even in your writing and I am happy you chose to live among us revolutionaries on this side of the pond. However, I must respectfully disagree. If the host allows a guest into the house and the moderators choose to allow him to stay, it's rude for us fellow guests to disagree. They are far from "gatecrashers". They are admitted guests, just like you and me. Like the BSA, the forum owner admits members according to his own standards, some of which may be ambiguous or contradictory to the rest of us, not unlike the BSA membership standards. Like many have been told on this forum, if we don't care for the kind of party the host is throwing, we are free to decline to attend...politely. Perhaps you've hit on the root cause of our angst...the art of manners is being lost because people choose not to care about others' feelings or opinions. That's sad. Perhaps a valid BSA registration number should be required for admission? I agree with Prairie. The Issues and Politics section was started for the reason of moving the heated non-scouting debates to their own section. People are free to avoid that section if they find it distasteful, but I think it is no small coincidence that it is one of the most popular forums on Scouter.com. And, my opinion is that, if this is billed as a "SCOUTER" forum, that implies adults over age 18, who can discuss adult issues in an adult manner without risk of offending tender young psyches. At least that was my assumption when I requested admission. (This message has been edited by scoutldr)

Do you mean leave Scouting or leave the forums? The rules you quote are those of the Boy Scouts of America, Inc. They are not the rules of this forum, which is privately owned and sponsored. We are all here by invitation of the forum owner, and remain here due to his generosity. Miss Manners will always tell you that if you are invited to a party, it is the height of rudeness to inquire who else will be there before you accept the invitation. Once there, if one finds people to whom one does not wish to be pleasant, the only proper thing to do is thank the host, excuse oneself and leave. There is no one on this forum that I would want to leave because of their beliefs or opinions, because they have caused me to re-examine my own beliefs and convictions more closely. That was valuable to me, even if I cannot agree with their opinions or adopt their lifestyle as my own. There are some I wish would leave because of their rudeness, arrogance and just plain nastiness, however. But alas, it's not my party and I am not granted the right to choose the guests.

I'll bet BP would insist that all BSA pubs be put on CD and mailed to every registered leader every year. Cost of CD and mailing would be about a buck apiece. Separate CDs for youth would be available containing the BS Handbook, Fieldbook and all MB pamphlets. There would be online ordering for all items in the BSA catalog and everything would be reasonably priced and functional.

Indeed a tragedy, but one that was completely avoidable. As I teach in BSA Lifeguard classes, "Dead heroes can't help anyone". Be sure of your water's depth and underwater obstructions and your own abilities before deciding to "go". "Reach, throw, row, go"

I am still registered, but my sons are not. Any funds I raise go into the troop general fund and are not credited to any one Scout. In addition, I also pay my own way for outings and summer camp.

So, Billy...what do you do in Scouting?

You all are correct, of course. I had just checked CNN.com before leaving work and it hit me in the face like a brick with no warning. I was upset. Now, to make matters worse, his picture is there, in full uniform, replete with OA sash and Eagle square knot. When I look at the picture, I don't see a face, all I see is the uniform. The same one we all wear. The photo credit was "Boy SCouts of America". And that's what the public sees. The article refers to him as "former Eagle Scout". At least I agree with that, if found guilty. The sad thing is, if he is found innocent, will it get banner headlines as well?

This has EVERYTHING to do with the BSA and Scouting. When this kind of thing happens, we are all dragged through the mud. I'm glad I'm leaving on vacation, so I don't have to face my co-workers tomorrow. Sigh...

Requirement 1.a., American Business Merit Badge: Do the following: Explain four features of the free enterprise system in United States. Tell its benefits and responsibilities. Describe the difference between freedom and license. Tell how the Scout Oath and Law apply to business and free enterprise. What a country!

Fundraising regulations require that something of value be received in return for the funds. Otherwise, it is solicitation of a cash donation, which is not allowed at the unit level. Does this qualify?

http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle/recogn.htm The slightly longer ends of the knot go to the wearer's right.

Well, if they allow it at Philmont, it must not be hazing. There's no hazing in Boy Scouts!

The rules for fundraising are on the back of the Unit Fund Raising Application which must be approved by your Council prior to any fund raising activity. Wearing of uniforms while selling anything other than BSA approved items (usually just Trails End Popcorn or Scout Show tickets) is prohibited. The excuse I've heard is that if units sell a product that proves faulty or tainted (in the case of food products), BSA doesn't want the liability or to be identified with products that they have not approved.

I may be wrong, but I think all of the signatories on the application just sign whatever is put in front of them, without noticing which of the many available versions it happens to be. At least, that's what I would do. If National wants to change requirements, then they need to make sure the website and publications are kept up to date, and also make sure that Scout Shops quit selling publications when they are superceded and become obsolete.

If you don't expect anything from these older guys, that is what you will get. I tell my guys when they make first class that they are now expected to be teachers, mentors and leaders. Merit Badges are expected to be worked on their own or at Summer Camp. During troop meetings they are teaching and leading.

Well, the National web site still has the 1993 version available for download. If the requirements have changed, how is anyone supposed to know? I was until recently a District Training Chair and no one told me. www/scouting.org/forms

Welcome, Kurt! Grab a cuppa coffee and pull up a log!

I received my Eagle in 1970 and the lapel pin, mother's pin and medal were sans "BSA". Shortly thereafter, (like within months) the BSA was added to the medal, but I can't say if the pins were also changed.

Of the specific memories of my childhood, I distinctly remember the night I came home after being inducted into a Troop from Webelos. My new green uniform was hung on the doorknob where I could see it all night. I was up well past midnight reading my new Boy Scout Handbook (with Norman Rockwell cover). I still have a 6th grade class picture with 3 of us wearing our Scout uniforms to school. We always wore them to school on meeting days. This was 40 years ago and I remember it like it was yesterday. Scouting is more than camping and having fun. It's all about creating memories and friendships that last a lifetime.

OGE, perhaps the "Eagle Mills" out there are balanced by the units who never produce an Eagle because they are holding tight to the standards. In my mind, it's not the number of Eagles produced, but the number of Eagles who decide to earn it and then do so on their own, showing initiative, proficiency and determination. I am an Eagle, but my own two sons aged out at Star and Life, respectively. Making Eagle was not their highest priority and I refused to interfere with their decisions by threatening, pleading, reminding, or doing it for them. They both now have their college degrees and are successful young adults...but they did it on their own terms, not mine.

OK, BSA. I just went to the SCOUTSTUFF.ORG web site. If you are serious about wanting my opinion, put a "CONTACT US" link on your web site and start reading our ideas and complaints. Putting a "survey" on the web site, with pre-determined answers (choose only one) is not a very scientific way to conduct a poll. (How about an "all of the above" choice, or an "add additional comments" box?) And if you are really considering adding "yolks" to the shirt, please don't. That yellow stuff is really hard to wash out.

Our troop charges actual costs for both youth and adults, determined on a per-trip basis. No reimbursement for gas or membership registration. Patrols do their own menus and the designated food-buyer (Grubmaster) determines what each scout's share will be. If there is an extra charge for campsite ($1 per night per person to use Council camp), patches ($3), etc, it is added to the food charge. Typical troop campout runs $6-10 for food. More for adults, but we eat well and don't mind paying for it!

If you have a loyal den and 25 more boys waiting to "come back", just call the DE and offer to form a new unit if he can find you a CO. Problem solved. It sounds like the current CO doesn't care whether their Pack folds or not, and that's something you can't win.