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About CaveEagle

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  1. Been away from the forum for quite a while. The Gates Recommendate drew me back in to see what the Scouter community had to say about this. Full disclosure: I come from a very conservative POV on this. FWIW.. This entire issue/debate has been handled poorly. Point a) Most of the gay rights advocates are just looking for a fight to tear down an organiation with God oriented value system. Just like the Christian cake bakers. How many gay couples REALLY want their cake from them anyway? They were just looking for a fight to make the headlines and were lawyered up well before t
  2. In 25+ years of scouting, I have encountered member of the the "uniform police" on several occasions. So far, I have always been able to respond with a 'helpfull' correction on their uniform patch placement etc. My favorite on that I often see is leadership knots sewn on upside down. Especially the Eagle knot really stands out if you know what to look for. I never say anything unless the wearer starts spouting off about 'correct' uniform guidelines. Having said that, I encourage my son's and the scouts I know to get their uniform put together as correctly as possible. Its a respect t
  3. I can agree with your sentiment, skeptic. I don't see anyone on the right trying to use the BSA as a political battleground. This issue is being forced onto the BSA. I for one don't want to see any sort of lifestyle witch hunt. Keep it to yourself and we will all be fine. This is just a very fine line, when special interest groups are pushing the issue so hard. A "don't ask, don't tell" policy is not good enough for the gay rights community. Any I cannot tollerate the normalization of alternatice lifestyles being promoted in my scout troop. So this just sounds like we might just be
  4. But it is the place for right wing idea-logs to promote their agenda? Why is that? I don't hear from any right-wing conservatives trying to force tranformational change to an organization that has a fairly well known and established policy. If you are currently a member of the BSA, than you have already decided that this issue is not important enough to keep you from joining. We may well find out that many people are less committed to this organization when it starts to bend to social-political pressures to change. I support the BSA because they are (or were) different. If they becom
  5. This turned out to be a hot topic when I was commitee chair for a small start-up troop back in '02-03. We had a 13 yr old scout that had been working on this requirement for almost a year. The father (Eagle Scout) showed me proof and tracking of the scouts efforts, and he showed improvement in all other areas. The problem was we had an ASM (marine background) that thought it was his personal mission to improve the physical fitness of Americas youth. And......a SM that was signed on to his 'program'. This created a discouraged youth, and angry parent, a split comittee vote and was a major c
  6. I really don't watch the news much anymore. Its just too darn depressing. I guess I do need to do some research to find out exactly what is going on with the BSA. I find it funny that I have been getting several phone calls and emails from my old council and my new council (recently moved states) pressing me for my FOS and 'Golden Eagle' commitments. That is just not normal. It feels like they are pushing more than normal because of some pending change that could have a negative impact on my contribution. More on-topic.. I don't beleive that all homosexuals are guaranteed to be ped
  7. Include the '80s in that comment. I was the first scout in our troop to earn Eagle in 5 years, so I really had to figure things out for myself. My "Eagle project worksheet" was a faded photo copy that you could barely read. My first Eagle project was 50% completed when I got the letter from the council office letting me know that it was not approved. Granted, we were a small troop on an Army base in Germany, so there were not really a lot of expert resources. On the flip-side of the argument, I also did not have a overzealous council hack nit-picking every aspect of my project and
  8. **warning... slightly off topic......maybe... Why does it seem like there is a prevailing presumtion that a scout that does not make Eagle has failed? ...Or that the program has failed?? My late Grandfather was a scout in the early 1913-15 range. His father was the scoutmaster of his troop in NYC. (Manhattan I think) Anyway, he was very small for his age and was unable to complete the requirements for the lifesaving MB. My granfather earned the rank of Star scout and went on to be an ASM in that same troop. He was always proud of his involvement in scouting and spoke to me often
  9. Just imagine for a moment..... A news headline reading: Eagle scout stands by as child drowns! I know this sounds extreme, but whats next? "I cant perform first aid because I have a germ phobia." I know that I am straying way off the PC reservation here, but STOP watering down the value of real acheivement. CE
  10. Well, that was a fair amount of reading to get nothing specific. Our DAC seemed to be VERY confident that this program was on indefinate "hold".
  11. Well, that was a fair amount of reading to get nothing specific. Our DAC seemed to be VERY confident that this program was on indefinate "hold".
  12. I was just informed by our District Adv Chair that the new Historic MBs are on hold. I was not given any other info on this. Any other info out there on this?
  13. 1. no..... however, I don't get too worked up about it. I had by Eagle BOR just before turning 18 and never wore the rank patch. My son just also completed his Eagle rank (barely made it as well). I would have like to have been able to wear the rank patch and maybe earn a palm ot two. I did not manage the calendar well enough to accomplish that. 2. yes... 1987
  14. My son's Eagle packet just came in the mail and I was surprised that the 'honorary' President's signature was not on there. I am tagging onto an older thread, but I was just wondering if this was a permanent change?? CE
  15. I was a scout from 1981 to 1987 and earned most of the skill awards. I still have my old belt with the awards. I was surprised to find out they had been removed from the program when we got back involved in the late 90s. I wish we still had them. Our new scouts seem to get a big let-down when they transition from cubs. They are used to getting tons of recognition from the pack in the form of pins, belt loops and activity awards. Now, many of them will walk away from a COH without much recognition at all. Before moving a few years ago, our troop in NY awarded patch segments for
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