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  1. So can this be wrapped up? I think Ed wants pie. It has been shown that - Scouts may wear their uniform during their Eagle Scout project which was the original question. - Scouts are not restricted to wearing their uniforms to just scout activities. - An Eagle Scout service project is a scout activity. - Some councils require local tour permits for parts of the Eagle Scout service project. No official BSA documents were presented that explicitly stated that the above practices are incorrect. Many examples were cited that the above have been common practices in the field for a
  2. Well good thing the Eagle service project is a scout activity, otherwise YP, a BSA policy, would not apply.
  3. Not my rules, I cited examples of councils that require local tour permits for Eagle Scout service projects. No one was talking about other scout activities you mentioned - OA or Jamboree. Sounds like you are advising Eagle candidates in those councils to ignore their council rules as they work on their Eagle projects.
  4. As eagle90 mentioned, some councils do require local tour permit for parts of an Eagle service project. Some reasons include documenting that youth protection guidelines are being followed or as a service tracking log as councils did before the National Good Turn website started. Here's one: http://wm.ppbsa.org/Advancement/Eagle_Scout_Elements.pdf " Funding b. Fund raising projects require a tour permit, detailed plan and an approved BSA fund raising permit." " ADULT INVOVEMENT: a. BSA policy requires 2 adults (Youth Protection Trained) to be present at any BSA activity."
  5. NO BSA documents explicitly state that a scout cannot wear his uniform during his Eagle Scout project. There is also no rule explicitly stating that a scout can only wear his uniform at a scout activity. And there is no official policy explicitly stating that an Eagle Scout service project is not a scout activity. If those did exist, then the sources would have been produced by now. These unique interpretations of policy for Eagle service project remains an opinion and is not a fact supported by official documents or policy practices. Eagle candidates may wear their uniform during their E
  6. Amazing how complicated Cub Scout camping is. We used to camp in our backyards by ourselves as our first Cub Scout campout - no can do today. There are "temporary guardians" which can be established by the biological parents, or child custodian, or legal guardian, or court to "temporarily" assume the duties same for specific purposes and/or time period. A common example in medical forms, scout leaders are assigned temporary guardianship for the purpose of seeking and receiving emergency medical care for a scout. A babysitter would be another example. We had one Cub share a tent w
  7. Ironically at these courses, you should be taught that before an activity, an outdoor activity leader should ask or have a copy of your medical form and provide to you an equipment list or reference an existing one, say 'Use equipment list on page 224 of Scout handbook' as you might want to bring a water bottle and sleeping bag. Before departure, the outdoor leader reviews medical form (would be nice to know of any food allergies before ordering food) and often checks a new person's equipment. My unit only takes Class A uniforms if the campout is a district camporee or scout summer camp,
  8. I offer this conspiracy theory The policy originally said something to the effect. 'While a Life Scout plan, develop, and give leadership to others in a service project helpful to a religious organization, school, or your community. < The project should benefit an organization other than the BSA >.' But that was too clear so it was changed to allow for misinterpretation. "The Eagle Scout service project provides the opportunity for the Eagle Scout Candidate to demonstrate his leadership skills that he has learned in Scouting. < He does the project outside the sphere
  9. Teach scouts to swim. Too many Cub Scout waterfronts have become Camp Splash - alot of fun but scouts end the week no better swimmers or should I say nonswimmers than when they arrived. One camp that I attend had two dozen kickboards (used to teach leg strokes) and never used them. No swim instruction was attempted.
  10. OGE, Yes in my troop, scouts are recruited to help with Eagle projects, in fact, I have yet to see any non-scouts at any of our project. Attendance is taken at activity; hours recorded in Troopmaster towards their Star or Life service requirements, troop hours credited on national Good Turn website. Publicity photos taken and submitted to local paper. The other intended benefit for these younger scouts is to learn how-to plan and organize an Eagle project. No small coincidence, that those scouts volunteering are likely future Eagles. Sure seems like a scout activity to me. Eagle candida
  11. reducing National executive and legal staff or compensation, cutback paper and paperwork (imagine if we adult leaders filled out that multi-sheet adult leader application ONCE to National instead of filling out a new application whenever we change or add a leadership position or change units or councils),... I will pay a premium to buy an American made product. I will not buy an American flag or a "Boy Scouts Of America" shirt or handbook not manufactured by Americans. According to my local Scout Shop, scout office and rank patches are no longer American made - great.
  12. "Shouldn't we be building a culture in our Troops that community service is something the Scouts ought to do rather than something they have to do for rank " It used to be this way - "Do a good turn daily" was expected and there were no service project requirements or hours minimums for ranks (except Eagle), let alone a web site to tally hours and brag about it. Scouts were expected to show Scout Spirit by serving others either by themselves or participating in patrol and troop service projects. I am trying to correct this mentality at the patrol level by having patrols work on the
  13. Okay thanks Kudu and GW for your responses. I will give this shirt a try for summer camp.
  14. A question about the Action Shirt or new Official Shirt... I would not sew any patches on a breathable shirt as it would block the "breathing". Will the Uniform guidelines reflect this? Good to hear, that neckerchiefs will be worn correctly over the collar.
  15. Our unit's committee meeting is open to all. Scouts will sometimes attend to present service project proposals, lobby for an activity, or seek troop sponsorship for Philmont or Jamboree. Our SPL has not attended nor is he required; he is busy enough with troop meetings and PLC. A planned agenda is sent out a week in advance of troop committee meeting. Anyone can add a topic by contacting CC or attempt to address that topic at the end of meeting before time expires. We all want to get through the agenda in the alloted meeting time. And to no surprise, agenda topics mostly align with progr
  16. This note should be on the form * Examinations conducted by licensed health-care practitioners other than physicians will be recognized for BSA purposes in those states where such practitioners may perform physical examinations within their legally prescribed scope of practice. My state also allows NP (Nurse Practitioners) and PA (Physician Assitants) to do physical exams, but not RN's. Your state may be different.
  17. Here's what I remember from Scouting in the 60's. Adult Training: Here's the handbook, read it. Few courses if any, I know neither my SM or mother (a den mother) took any courses nor did they request any. Adults were WW2 veterans and lived through the Depression so tended to be resourceful and creative with few dollars. They had experience and willingness - no need for today's MBA conceptualizing, acronym, org chart nonsense. Make or make do, no online shopping at Campmor or Capelas. Good stuff cheap at Army-Navy stores, e.g., I.Goldbergs in Philly. Troop budgets were small, no need for B
  18. packsaddle's comment has me wondering when do questions become too personal, that they cannot be asked at BOR or a scout can decline to answer? For example, when I was a DL, I found the Cub Scouts "family achievements" - family tree, go on a family outing, family finances, family responsibilities caused stress for two of my scouts. I learned later those families were separating/divorcing. Wish I had that to do over, I would have skipped those achievements, saved those two families the stress. I think physical disabilities, religion, moral beliefs are other areas that one might consid
  19. What I have seen over many years is that boys want to be with their friends and if they cannot be with their friends then they either do not join scouting or do not stay in scouting beyond the first year. Someday, I hope Scouting will stand behind its own diversity position and make it a charter requirement so that any boy will be permitted to join any troop. And I hope it will be done for the right reasons and not as a reaction to declining membership. "In Support of Diversity We hope that our supporters will continue to value the Boy Scouts of America's respect for diversity and
  20. GW Yes, I remember my SM calling my church priest to check on my Catechism class attendance, usher service, etc. and similarly my school principal too. It came under the "Scout Spirit" section of rank requirements. Included in that section, a scout had to "satisfy" his Scout Leaders that he did his best in everyday life including "do your share in helping in your home, your school, your church or synagogue, and your community". Had better advancement quality control in the 60's. Scout leaders focused more on the intent of the rank requirements than the legal interpretation of the re
  21. Lisabob??? Kudu's comment, made me recall an incident where a new WBer was upset that I was showing scouts how to mark a trail for others to follow - an old Second Class skill... much older than that actually. I thought it was funny and as I recall he was the one being nasty. Sometimes a humorous observation is just a humorous observation.
  22. "There is nothing that enrages Wood Badgers more than traditional outdoor skills like semaphore!" Add to that "trail marking" where we placed stones or sticks in certain patterns to give trail directions. 'My Gawd. Leave No Trace put those rocks back.' Too funny, but true. "Stalking" is another one, but I'm too PC aware to even mention it, dang I guess I shouldn't have said that.
  23. Maybe this, "Spring" craft project. I went to a local greenhouse and bought a flat of flower plants (I forgot the variety, but I told the owner that I wanted a Cub Scout tolerant plant, so I guess it wasn't an Inpatient). Had my Wolves pot the plants. You could add a sign "Easter Bunny leave basket here." Playing with dirt, what fun. And if they transplant the plant outside have them add an earthworm with the plant. They love to see the worm burrow into the soil. You can dig for worms (also fun) or buy (trout) bait worms. A worm race might be warranted, as a slow worm will just end up being br
  24. "In Support of Diversity We hope that our supporters will continue to value the Boy Scouts of America's respect for diversity and the positive impact Scouting has on young people's lives." http://www.scouting.org/Media/Positions.aspx
  25. DYB-Mike I was referring to the Old Wood Badge. Most WBer's were "lifers" in the scouting program. And that was the point, this acknowledged this group of knowledgeable, experienced Scoutmasters who made a long commitment to working with scouts as the best of the best. So yes prestige, sort of Eagle Scout for Scoutmasters, very different from the Wood Badge today, which I think should use a different name to prevent confusion. Anyway, more was expected from WBers but they were already known for giving beyond those expectations both at the troop and district levels and that was the or
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