RememberSchiff

Yeah, that SPL or any of those scouts could grow up to become President some day ... The SPL did fine, maybe someone will remind the SM that America is still a land of opportunity. My $0.02

Trailer looks pretty funny and from clothing looks like it was "back in the day". Wow what a cast - Bruce Willis (camp director?) , Bill Murray, Ed Norton ... Thanks for heads up. Back in the day, well I won't say there were or there were not instances of Boy Scouts leaving camp to ah, be Friendly with the locals...

A hike on a winding trail might have helped this troop prepare as I have found a group that does not hike well will do worse on a river trip. Hmm, no older scout or adult leader sweep, not staying within sight and sound of the group (rabbits and the turtles), unknown whether each scout had a map and compass and WHISTLE, getting lost...STOP calm, staying together for night, building a fire, ... A good learning experience in mild weather for these scouts who were also fortunate to avoid injury and likely had no daily medication issues. I wonder what the main group of scouts learned from th

Sheriff's report http://www.nbc15.com/janesville/headlines/Four_Boy_Scouts_Rescued_Along_Sugar_River_in_Rock_County_131413423.html "From the Rock County Sheriff's Department: On Saturday, 10/08/11 at 2213 hours, deputies from the Rock County Sheriffs Office received a call for mutual aid from the Winnebago County Illinois Sheriffs Police in locating four missing boy scouts last seen on the Sugar River in Rock County around 1330 hours. Fire and rescue personnel from Albany, Brodhead, Orfordville and Town of Beloit also responded to search the area for the boys. The investigation

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/131424653.html Group of scouts get lost on trip, they hunker down and await rescue...search helicopter lands and rescues them, all is well except (last paragraph) "Rock County sheriff's officials said the scout leader had taken the boys' cellphones so they wouldn't get lost in the river. If the boys had had them, officials said, they would have been able to call for help or emergency officials would have been able to trace the phones' signals." Apologies to Pink Floyd,

http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Man-Arrested-for-Embezzling-from-Boy-Scouts-142123683.html Hard to believe 1. This went unnoticed by Troop Committee for two years, should have been caught within three months with financial report at Committee meetings. Does your Treasurer show the real bank statement or just a homemade Excel spreadsheet that could be erroneous? 2. Troop had that much dough. Wonder how much money was lost from "Scout Accounts"? I see a "Money Protection" program coming...money should never be left alone with one person, three deep,.. My $0.02,(This mess

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With a statue of limitations and time exceeded, the alleged abuser wins whether he/she is innocent or guilty while the alleged victim (plaintiff) never had a day in court. Admittedly I am more concerned with the scout than the scouter or corporate, as the legal scales seemed tipped in favor of the last two. I think showing more concern for the scout, like Scouts-Canada is attempting, is the way out of this "perversion files"/lawsuit/PR mess. My $0.01,

Twocubdad, I wasn't saying that 2-deep coverage was not a good idea just that the fallout that we (singularly) are suddenly not to be trusted because of the actions of a few is not the desired Scout image. Maybe we scouters will never earn that trust back. A scout is "trustworthy", well not anymore, maybe two or three scouts together are trustworthy. Hurts scouts, scouters, and scouting. Is it "better" to hold on to the "files" (as pointed out they cannot be destroyed with legal action pending), watch as plaintiff attorneys for each case request those "files" and the resulting negative

1. We need to help scouts (past and present) who were harmed through Scouting. The public perception is that things have "improved" to the point that the BSA now quickly drops the abuser's membership and there are programs in place which, well apparently were not enough. - Scouts Canada removed settlement gag orders so those scouts can freely talk as part of their healing process. - BSA or their insurer covers 100% of medical expense (therapy, burial expenses, etc.) of any scout abused by a registered member of BSA. 2. We need to remove this albatross about our neck - the "perversion

That much they both have right, but it wasn't always the case. Remember for years, BSA YP stated call the council SE first, it was even a test question. IMO, there is more to be done. Scouts-Canada realizes this and is working in that direction. I am eager to read KPMG's "perversion files" report due later this year and hear what action is taken and how much work was involved in reviewing 350 records (BSA is estimated at slightly over 5000 records). BSA? Another $0.02(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Good point. He should have worded it more accurately. Their youth-protection policy is 1. Contact Child Protection Authority 2. Contact Scouts Canada ... scouts.cs/ca/youth-protection

Engineer 61, Our fellow scouters to the north face the same problem but their solution focuses on the good of their scouts past and present as opposed to the good of corporate. Please read Scouts Canada Chief Commissioner and Chair of the Board of Governors, Steve Kent 2+ page letter to all. http://www.scouts.ca/sites/default/files/Youth-Protection-Update-Feb13.pdf I will include the last part here "Scouts Canada, and I personally, have committed to this course of honesty and open transparency. We know it will ensure the strength and vitality of our organization for

Sounds good, but I think it is more complex. I think there's an ego factor sometimes expressed "these are different times", "we have a different leadership team (making the same decision)" that needs to be overcome. I wonder if/how C.S. Lewis would have expanded this thought post JFK, his cabinet of "The Best and the Brightest", and the Vietnam War. And that's just one example of well-educated, well-traveled, experienced people repeating the mistakes of history. Oddly he and JFK died on the same day. My $0.01

Santa Barbara County Superior Court Judge Donna Geck vacated her order this week, pending a March 21 mediation session between lawyers for BSA and plaintiff . She set a new date of May 9 for the BSA to produce the "perversion files", which are not to be disclosed to the public. Adult troop leader Al Stein pleaded no contest to felony child endangerment in 2009 and was sentenced to a two year prison term. He was paroled early. Some of us are keeping an eye on Scouts Canada approach, where they have released their "perversion files" for independent review (KPMG will make public their r

Mine is three words, but I can see it expressed in 4 or 5. DSP Some might focus on a particular approach for the above like "Get out of the way and let boys lead.", "All your scouts earn First Class", ...but I hope we are all pretty much on the same page or is it pages now.(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

My older (~16yo+) scouts and their parents listened to the council Jambo pitch $2k plus another uniform plus... and figured their money could be better spent a local adventure trek $500-$600 or $0 get a summer job instead 40hr drivers ed $850 Driver license $30 SAT test, subject tests $50-200 6 college applications $300-450 ------------ $1230(no trek) - $1730(min) - $2130(max) per scout Seems once the total activity cost is above $800 (two weeks local scout cam

Give the units with an absentee COR the right to select another representative to attend and vote at district and council meetings. My $0.02

Glad you and your scouts had a great time. Your scouts might enjoy watching "National Treasure" (the first movie). My $0.02(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

"This years event, because of the momentous anniversary, brought more scouts (4000!)than ever to the park. This year the troop that traveled the farthest distance came from Texas . http://mainlinemedianews.com/articles/2012/02/19/king_of_prussia_courier/news/doc4f41ab6bc23b9994264658.txt?viewmode=default Well done.(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

"(Scouts Canada) Chief Commissioner Steve Kent said a third-party (KPMG) review of records relating to abuse has turned up a number of cases in which it is unclear if police were notified. He said those cases are now being referred to authorities." (Scouts Canada is now voluntarily turning over their files which a year ago supposedly did not exist!) Im ashamed these things happened in our organization ... but Im definitely concerned and as motivated as anyone to do things right at this point, Chief Commissioner Steve Kent said Friday. The public release of KPMG's review has bee

Beavah, thanks for the explanation. Should be interesting when the Boys from National take me and my scouts to court for copying old Fieldbook and Boy's Life material.

I guess I have not explained the situation well, so I'll drop it as I have already distracted too much from this thread. Sorry for the confusion.

The copyright owner is the BSA and aren't we all BSA? If the BSA is no longer selling the published material, why can't the rest of BSA make copies (no $ involved) to distribute among ...BSA?(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Good research shortridge. I missed that Pappydaddy wanted to copy the whole Fieldbook. I don't see a fair use problem with a chapter or two or three. What I cannot understand is how there can be any "copyright infringement" of no longer published Boy Scout literature among Boy Scouts/Scouters where no money was involved? Does anyone know of any copyright infringement suit by the BSA against a Scouter where no profit was involved? Patches, t-shirts, no longer published literature? My $0.01