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Of you're asking, there may be a little voice that is nagging you. But in case you give it a go ... Jeep with a purpose. Have the boys ... Talk top the ranger/property owner. Identify some potential conservation project. Plan an overnight. Learn about maintenance. Check the fluids Rules for safe conduct. Helmets etc ...

The committee chair and the charter organization representative need to get together and decide if the cubmaster should be replaced. Missed events and sales awards, however, can't possibly be all of his fault. Somebody besides the CM should have been responsible for the popcorn drive. Somebody else should have been in charge of the the B&G banquet. Yet someone else in charge of PWD. You all get together, set the date, and he shows up with a song and a cheer and appreciation for his den leaders. Den leaders ensure opportunities for boys to do what they need to do, Not sure how that's his responsibility. Basically, he's only dropping the ball on awards which the boys did earn. Solve that problem. If he's not ordering them. Appoint someone else to do it, and just get his signature on the paperwork.

Nobody's gonna judge your project, so anything goes. But, it is about time for spring planting, and I think boys still like dirt, so something along the lines of filling a spring planter or window box might be welcome. Ask the super if the boys can do something like that for your community. Another fun thing since Easter is on its way could be hosting an egg decorating evening with some shut-ins.

Thanks 'skip. You may or may not know that BSA has incorporated a Cyber Chip program http://www.scouting.org/cyberchip.aspxinto it's advancement.

Yes, I have bigger issues. But you're not the folks to fix those. I'm hoping that, however this plays out in my crew, others might be better prepared to handle it as their dual-registered youth turn 18.

You know the interesting things about YP trainers? They resulted in the course taking triple the time, but for that nominal fee of $5 ... They brought cookies and coffee. You got out of the house and away from that screen. They looked to see how many packs, troops, and crews were represented and tailored their presentation accordingly. They inserted little facts about known incidents (the former camp director had some great ones)! They did not ask you to take the course again just because you were in two different positions.

I know how long it takes me to do it. And it takes me twice as long to coach someone else to do it, which I usually have to do for a couple of adults. All of a sudden, I'm missing a playoff game. So, now let's pretend I have venturers willing to do this AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY MISSED THE FIRST HALF OF THE GAME DOING BOY SCOUT YPT TRAINING. It's a non-starter. In reality, there's no trading between YPT-redux and a b-ball game. The trade is between taking redundant training or making a few phone calls to grab some tarps, pull some steaks out of the freezer and meet in the woods, or on the shooting range, or lining up a climbing or whitewater guide.

As NJ, points out, this is a new rule for venturing participants as of last year. As a result 3/4 of my young adults in the crew concluded it was not worth the trouble. They can just hike and camp with young adults and whatever high school friends they choose without price of registration and be as many miles down the trail in the time they've taken the online training. The lawyering world is so out of touch with our youth that it's decimating us. E94, while I was ASM and Advisor I took either training every two years and let the other one lapse. I told the DE that's what I did and said "Make it work or I'm out." I actually didn't transfer myself or Son #2 to our new troop's roster to save them this hassle (among others). Likewise I employ SMs/ASMs on crew activities without requiring them to be venturing trained because I want their heads in the game with material that might actually forestall death. If they took boy scout YPT, they'll do just fine in my crew. Son #2 took the time for BSA YPT to ASM for me last year, took time out of his schedule for our church's YPT the week before last. ... What do you think he'll say to venturing YPT when he extracts from the spring break wilderness trip with his college fellowship? I'm asking the DE for a waiver.

Not Just any YPT. It's gotta be Venturing YPT! They also have to complete BSA adult application. But I've skated by with one app if the boy is also serving in a troop.

So, finally got my DE to find out why my crew's roster got pulled ... Turns out my 18 year-old's only had Boy Scout YP (since they were serving as ASMs) and they needed Venturing YP. And even more drop from the charter ....

Well if it were the Izod patrol. There was no love lost between me (grunge before they called it that) and yuppie wannabes back in the day ... So, like I concluded in my previous post: If your son thinks this will be emblematic of how the patrol operates, then he'll start a new patrol soon enough. This is where an SM guides a boy through to the heart of the matter. If it's a patch name, but his buddies are stand-up guys, get over it. If they have rough edges, help him point that out to the boys in ways that helps them do better next time. If these guys are keeping him on the outside, help him find guys who will want him in their circle. Sometimes an SPL is mature enough to guide a boy. Sometimes not. So, you may give the SM a "heads up" and make it clear that you don't intend to bring up every little thing, but since this simmered for more than a week, you thought he ought to know.

Importantly, you can collect receipts at the end of the campout, and -- if you choose -- tally the balance and write the checks then and there.

Unless someone comes forward with another printing attached to at least a few more pages (or even the lowly binding), we may not ever know.

Plus, BSA guard, COPE/climbing, etc ... some ASMs/Advisors are very busy getting trained in what might forestall death. They have precious little patience for "fluff" training. A training coordinator needs to get to know his/her audience and accept that some guys are gonna have to be brought in by stealth, others are gonna have to be rubber-stamped to make up for some IT snafu, others are on the way out the door -- so don't bother. Deal with those (or write them off) and a quick phone call to the rest once a year is the best you can do, and probably more than anyone else has ever done.

You all are beginning to make me think that a few rounds of British bulldog has more leadership training potential than most of what we pawn off as such ...

@@scoutldr, based on what I could read, it seems the use of advancement for adult recognition varied greatly by councils. So, many of us may have never seen this sort of thing while others would have been on the "tail end" of it's use in their area. It is interesting that once all councils stopped using it (presumably by national consensus), insignia for adult training began to appear. Nature abhors a vacuum?

Peanut butter jars with the massive indentation at the bottom.

Pardon the severe clipping, but you see where I'm going with this? Modify every lesson in ISLT into a wide game. Simple example: the Telephone game should be played with each member spread out at least 50 feet (preferably vertical as well as horizontal) from the next. The best "home grown" training I ever did was on a crew backpacking trip. Nearly all of the youth had shown some leadership skills in the past few months, so the "pump was primed". So, I put key words from the Venturing Leader's manual on index cards, folded them and sealed them and gave one to each hiker. These were "break passes". We would only stop and rest so long as one hiker would pull out his/her card and give an impromptu speech or lead a discussion on the subject. As soon as that person stopped talking we had to up and move.

BSA's ageist policy toward rank advancement began around 1964, with a nation-wide ban enforced by the end of the decade ... a harbinger of changes to come. (Here's a decent official posting on that adults who earned Eagle during the first part of that history http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2015/07/02/10-times-history-adults-earned-eagle-scout-award/with links to sites devoted to that history.) Some scouters on these forums do have memories of the odd adult being awarded rank advancement. I would recommend any SM/ASM to make a good faith effort to complete 1st class (only without bothering over the patch) ... Getting his/her advancement signed off by the SPL.

Welcome! Thanks for your service to the boys! I've ASMed so long they made me a crew advisor, so here's the advise in a nutshell ... Assist your SM as best you can. There's one way to make coffee ... Strong as love, black as death, Get trained as much as you can. But don't be in a rush for Wood Badge. Try not to act bored when the fire-starting demo at IOLS fails, that terrible instructor is a great council advancement chair. Go to roundtable often. Go camping more often. On rare occasion use a tent.

The thing I remember most about cub scouts was walking to the den mom's house. Then when I was a Webelos we had a state trooper for a DL and had to drive me there, but it was all good. That guy taught us to shoot a 38 special. That's a huge difference from then and our now post-modern nomadic culture. We just don't trust the folks within a five block area to be good enough scouters for our boys. So parents are looking for that one location where they can take their boys to be among perfect kids. That means more demand for programs that will consolidate time in those moving metal boxes!

I was using Chrome for iOS. I'll see if I need to run updates, then give it another shot the next time I want that feeling of nails in my forehead. There should be a MB on clean coding.

Welcome! I generally just hit the ground ... unless I've set up a hammock.

@@fleep, I'm friends with some scouts from Central Europe. They stay at my house on a school breaks. Your English compares well to theirs. "A Message to the Chief" is merely a text depiction of the activity: a scout relaying a message to his leader. But, it could also be an excerpt of text from a national report: the equivalent of what chosen scouts now present to our President as "The Report To The Nation" (http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/category/report-to-the-nation/). One reason for the inverted printing may be this was a cover to a flip book (bound at the top). The text seems incomplete. It looks like the bottom margin was trimmed. So it leads me to think there may have been more pages. I know of no such book, but maybe someone else could comment to that possibility. Could this be a notebook about signalling?

We must be suckers in Steeler country. I've paid every dime for my training. Just like union dues. 8)If I wasn't paying (i.e, teaching) I paid by following up with a coffee with any students in my course.