Eamonn

Talking with older Scouts, one of their main peeves seems to be having to put up with the "Little Kids". Of course there are some Troops that do somehow manage to meet the needs and hold the interest of older Scouts. Sadly in the area where I live this just isn't the case. It seems that once a Lad is old enough to be able to drive he stops being an active member of the Troop and becomes someone who visits the Troop as and when the mood suits him. I don't lay all the blame on the Scouts. All to often the program that is offered is made with the younger Scouts in mind. As we don't seem able to do such a good job of keeping older Scouts in Scouting, the younger Scouts outnumber the older guys, so it would seem unfair to blame the leaders. I have visited Troops that have "Eagle Patrols". A Patrol that is made up of Eagle Scouts. This doesn't seem to work. These guys when they do turn up spend their time hanging out talking and joking with each other and act as a distraction to everyone. Yes I have heard about Venture Patrols! But I have yet to see any Troop that is able to make this work. Ea.

Like the old ad for American Express cards, we never left home without one! The Roster was made by the P/L. My view is that the Roster is a communication tool and is really is showing true leadership. It shows that the P/L isn't brain dead and is planning ahead. In my book that shows true leadership. The P/L as a rule was never "On" the roster, but was when it came to getting the job done the manager. Who was willing to step in and help and advise as needed. He was held responsible for making sure what needed to be done, was done when it was supposed to be done. Mostly the rosters were to do with cooking and clearing up. Setting up and breaking camp were seen as the job of the entire patrol with everyone doing their best to get the job done. The P/L was charged with making sure that everything was ready for the AM inspection. If things found their way back to the Scout hall in less than good condition the P/L incurred the wrath of the QM who was known to have Patrols go over all the stuff in their Patrol box and re-fold tents and stuff that were not up to his high standards. Most times the PLC had come up with a program of what was going on. When a Patrol ran late with a meal, either that Patrol sat out on the next activity or the entire Troop waited till the Patrol was ready. At times this did lead to some finger pointing at the next PLC meeting and at times some bickering. I think I should add that our Patrols were made up with Scouts of different ages. When we had a weekend where the roster didn't work or just fell apart. At the next PLC we looked at why it didn't work. Not to hijack the thread. But... As a rule I don't watch Surviver the reality show on TV. But for some reason I watched the past couple of episodes. If ever there was a need for some kind of a duty roster these guys and girls need it. One poor guy seemed to be doing all the work, while the rest of his team seemed happy to stand by and watch. This week the guy who was doing it all passed out and was removed from the game. He was the guy that they elected chief. I'll bet they are really going to have a very rude awakening. Ea.

I think most of us feel your pain. Still maybe you need to look at things from the Council point of view. Most of the camps in the area where I live only ended sometime in August. Trying to gather enough adults together to have a worthwhile meeting before school goes back is really tough. There is a lot of other things going on in most councils. In the Council I serve we have the big membership drive in September, then the popcorn sale followed by the FOS campaign. Even if the Council Camping Committee meets in September, it takes time to gather any information that is needed and then a couple of meetings to make any changes that are going to be made. To be honest most camps don't change that much from year to year,other than maybe the cost which even if it goes up more than lightly is only going up less than 20 or so bucks. Working from last years information really shouldn't be that big a deal. Ea.

Jackets and Their Insignia Multicolored jackets in nylon, wool, and poplin are available for optional wear by youth members and adult leaders. The universal emblem should be worn on the left pocket or, in case of a jacket without chest pockets, in the same area. The Philmont bull emblem is especially designed for the red wool jac-shirt to be sewn on the left side above the pocket. On all jackets the Philmont Scout Ranch, Philmont Training Center, or high-adventure base emblems may be worn centered on the right pocket or in the same relative position if there is no pocket. The Order of the Arrow has adopted the jac-shirt as its official jacket, and members may wear the �6-inch national Order of the Arrow patch centered on the back. The large Philmont, NESA, jamboree, National Camping School, Scout�master Award of Merit, and international par�participant emblems are approved to be worn on the back of the jacket. Only one such emblem may be worn at a time. The Venture/Varsity �letter may be worn on the center of the right side of the red or blaze nylon or poplin jacket. In all cases, the lightweight jacket is an alternate for the jac-shirt, and this insignia may be worn on it in the same way. Right this minute I don't know where my Insignia Guide is! My reading of this is: "Multicolored jackets in nylon, wool, and poplin are available for optional wear by youth members and adult leaders." Being as they are "Optional". The Answer to "Because there is an official jacket for uniform wear, is one out of uniform if wearing any other jacket with their uniform? Is no. But even though it is optional is it what might be called a controlled item it should be treated like a part of the uniform. The Staff at Wood Badge should be as diverse as possible, coming from as many program areas as is possible. It used to be that the Red Wool Jacket was not part of the Venturing uniform (Now that it's an optional item this might not be the case??) The wool jacket was never part of the Sea Scouting uniform. So having everyone on a WB Staff uniform in uniform might not a good thing to do. I have not heard of many courses being run in the winter months? While I've never read that a course can't be held in the winter, with the participants having not been trained in cold weather camping, I don't think it's such a good idea. If the staff are willing a jacket of some sort could be bought and used for the course? My fear about this is that it might be seen as some sort of elitist move by the staff. Something I seen a lot of when we had the old course and I was happy to see gone. Eamonn

As yet I haven't even tried to work out all the details. Still I really do believe that the time has come for us to take a long hard look at the Age Grouping of the youth we have in our programs. I'm not a big fan of Venturing as it is now. I think it can work, but from what I see the Crews that seem to be the most successful are Crews that have Adults who have served in Boy Scout Troops and who offer what might be called a more adventurous but looser fitting program (My term.) I do know and am very aware that some "Specialist" Crews that are involved with a common interest such as Radio or Re-enactment do OK. However in the area where I live Venturing has never really taken off. Most Crews are paper units, made up of Boy Scouts who are supposed to be active in Troops. I say supposed to be active as they are working on completing their Eagle Scout rank, but tend not to be involved in the everyday events of the Troop such as meetings and the monthly outdoor event. For the most part the Cub Scout age group seems OK. I do wonder what might happen if we moved things forward a year? Allowing the Tiger Cub Scout /Parent program to begin in Kindergarten? Keeping everything the same but having Cub Scouts cross over that much earlier. My main peeve is with the Boy Scout age group. I just don't don't think it works. Trying to keep and hold the interest of 11 through 17 + year-olds?? Just fails. I'm thinking if we had a program that ran from 10 through 14 year-olds (Maybe 16??) And then had a separate Senior Scout program for the older Lads we might do a better job. Eamonn.

As part of the fee the Scouts pay, our Scouts receive a couple of the official Jambo T-shirts and the official Jambo Cap. Much as I hate to come off sounding like an old stick in the mud. I see the Jambo uniform as a uniform, the uniform is whatever is laid down in the Jamboree Guide. Scouts should travel to and from the Jamboree in the full uniform and attend the Jamboree ceremonies in the uniform which includes the official Jambo cap. What they choose to wear on their head, when in what is often called the Class B uniform is up to them. Adding BSA or Council patches to non-approved BSA caps and hats is not something that I'd ever recommend. Again sorry to come off sounding like an old stick in the mud, but at the Jamboree there is a lot of media coverage and my feeling is that as long as we have a uniform or a dress code that has been laid down we should abide by it. Eamonn

Each year the Council I serve has an adult recognition dinner. Even before the new uniform came along, there was a group of old timer's who arrived uniforms that were really dated. I never asked them why? They wore these old time uniforms. Rightly or wrongly? I kinda thought it was a little over the top! Yes I know that they can and a uniform is a uniform, but in some ways it seemed to me they were (Are!) Saying "Hey look at me I'm an old timer and I have the uniform to prove it!" With the arrival of the new uniform there is going to be a transition period. It's going to take a while till we are uniform in uniform. Until that time, while maybe trying to aim for some sort of uniformity, the best thing is to just let the parent buy what they feel is best for their kid and what they feel is the best deal for them. Eamonn.

For many years when the time came to make the District calender for the next year, Camporees were just stuck in. Same weekend of the same month. Someone came up with what was supposed to be a theme. From the theme a patch was made. Most of the time, in fact nearly all the time the Camporee would take place at the Council primitive campsite. Friday night the Troops would arrive. Someone would inform everyone that there was going to be a Leaders Meeting later that night. The program for the weekend was made at this meeting. Very much the same old same old. As a rule whatever was planned did somehow, someway manage to hold the interest of the Scouts until lunchtime. They would break for lunch and most wouldn't bother returning. I really didn't blame them. We do have a few Troops that need these events as without them the outdoor method would go out the window. Needless to say these Troops are as a rule not very big and lack any real outdoor skills. We have a couple of Troops who have adults who feel that they have to attend to support the District. A couple who have never attended as to do so might be seen as supporting the District. Then there are the Troops who if they are free that weekend will try and attend. Fall is a very busy time. On Friday night there is of course football and the band is at football. More and more it seems that bands have things going on most Saturdays. The younger Scouts have soccer on Saturday mornings. Then the weather can be iffy. Last weekend we had a very hard frost. I was nice and warm at home, but when I took the dogs out at about 0700 it was darn cold. Parents who are not used to allowing their kids to camp in the cold do tend to have second thoughts about allowing their son to camp when the weather-man has bad news. Attendance did go up when we invited SPL's to the R/T and had them help plan the event. Another benefit of this was that the event was planned. We tried including lunch in the price to help not "Lose" so many of the Scouts at lunch time. As District Chair I kinda made it very clear if I seen another "Burn the String" Or make a stretcher and race event that heads would roll. We for a while were doing well, but I see we are back to the same old same old. One benefit that often goes unnoticed is that Camporees do bring the adults in a District together. Sure there is a lot of story telling (Seems that the stories about me get a little more embellished every year!) But a lot of good stuff can come from bringing a herd of Scouter's together. Or is a gaggle of Scouter's? (I think it's a parliament of commissioners!) Eamonn.

After being on vacation for a week, I toddled back to work. Came home feeling not so great, which then became feeling really bad. Needless to say it was a Wednesday, the day our PCP isn't in his office! I have his cell number, so I called that. Left a message. Two minutes later he called back. I explained how bad I was feeling and requested he get me some Tami-flu. He asked what I was taking? He didn't seem that impressed when I said honey, lemon and Irish whiskey along with a couple of Tylenol. He said that there can be some nasty side effects from the Tami-flu and suggested that I try Advil. He also said not to go over board on the whiskey. I called work telling them that I'd be back in on Friday. I didn't make it until Tuesday. I still have a bit of a cough, but nothing that a drop of Jameson can't handle. Today I was teaching a class and the medical department called asking me to come and get my flu shot (I was on vacation last week.) I toddled in and got my regular flu shot. I asked if we would be getting the H1N1 shot? The medical department thinks we will sometime in November. Strange thing was that after being off work and telling anyone that asked that I had the flu. People who as a rule are nice enough to ask "How are you feeling?" Or " Are you feeling better?". Didn't! Instead they asked "Did you have the swine flu? " And then tried to get as far away from me as possible. This cough is really strange. I don't cough that much at work, but after being home for a while it returns and nothing seems to work except my own home remedy. I'm thinking it might last till spring! If chicken soup is Jewish penicillin? I'm not sure what Bushmills Black Bush and Jameson is? Ea.

I hate the cold!! I hate being cold!! I say that I'm frugal, OJ says I'm cheap. Being as I don't like the cold, I try to avoid camping when it's cold. For many years I had a down filled bag that wasn't bad, but it started to not be as warm as it once was? That or old age has got me! I have about half a dozen bags, some are better than others. Then one I tend to use the most is my Cats Meow. It wasn't the cheapest or the most expensive bag. But it seems to do the job. Have had a few problems at night with the zipper. But after some very un-scout like words it seems to get the message. I always use a Therm-a-Rest pad. (Bought the chair kit and only used it twice!) Have to admit that I love camping stores and am a sucker for things that are on sale. Ea.

ndoc Hi and Welcome. Could you list a few things that you think the CM should be doing? Maybe a couple of the things that you are doing as CC? Ea.

I thought that Delaware had a few Brown Bears? I had to Google sopapillas! Found: In Central Chile sopaipillas are made from wheat flour, lard, pumpkin and salt. In Chile, they are fried and made from pumpkin or squash based dough called zapallo. The sopaipilla is very popular in Chile. Sopaipillas with pumpkin are eaten as a dessert. Might make a nice change from my MIL's terrible pies at Thanksgiving! Haven't had a good fed of lard since I left England! Ea.

More than once I have spouted on about leaders being selected. When I read the thread that this one spun off from, I thought it was a little odd that a SM was voted into office. But I kept my trap shut. (Now that is really odd!!) My thinking being that there is more than one way of skinning a cat. - Not that I ever have skinned a cat! There is times when votes are taken in our organization. But... Most times when it comes to adults playing this game at the Unit and District level (I'm thinking District Committee meetings) Votes are rarely needed. Eamonn.

Hey Beav, When the new HA and what might be the next Jambo site?? Opens up. I can almost walk there! (Na-na-na-na.) On my last drive to Philmont, I stopped at a motel near Oklahoma City. Seemed like a nice enough place. I remember it being very hot, it was in August. I also remember asking a waiter for cream for my coffee, he returned with a plastic honey jar in the shape of a bear, filled with some sort of coffee whitener. I'll bet you need to keep plastic jars in the shape of bears filled with coffee whitener in the bear bag. What do you think John? SctDad While Philmont is of course Philmont and really is super nice.I can't help wondering if maybe you couldn't do much the same thing closer to home for a lot less money? Ea.

We of course are in the business of helping Scouts. We should try and avoid placing obstacles in their way. If a Lad came to me with something like his signed Red Cross card and I knew that what he'd done met the requirements of the MB. I'd call the District Advancement Chair. Give him the full story and ask if the card was acceptable? He might ask that the person who signed the card to fill out a MBC application, he might give it the green light and say that everything is fie and dandy or of course he might just say "No way"! There is no harm in asking, just don't make any promises that you might not be able to keep. Badges at camp? Can be hard to find out about. All to often after the camp is over the staff departs and seem to enter a big black hole. Again check with the Camp Director and see what help he can be. Talk with the District Advancement Chair. See what he comes up with. A lot might depend on which MB? I really can't see anyone making a fuss about Finger Printing, but Lifesaving might be very different. Talking with the Scout about what he did, never hurts. It is important to remember that if we want the Scouts we serve to be trustworthy we need to trust them. Good Luck with this. Eamonn.

If your Council has a person who looks after High Adventure you might want to have a chat with him, if not talk with the Council Camping Chair. Most Councils get first choice of the treks and payments can be made through the Council. For us here in PA the hard thing about Philmont is in the getting there. When the Council plans a trip it tends to be very expensive as not only do they fly, but someone at one time said that discount airlines weren't safe. So they only book on he major airlines. Some units make the trip part of a much bigger trip. The thinking being that if they are going that far, they want to take in as much as they can. We have one older Scouter who thinks he is Mr. Philmont. He likes to arrive a few days early so the kids can get used to the change in altitude. He used to stay at the Air Force Academy, I'm not sure if that can still be used. When flying out he has everyone wear their boots on the plane. His thinking is that if the luggage is lost everything can be replaced but the boots which have been broken in. One big problem seems to be people dropping out. When treks are first brought up the enthusiasm is high, but for some reason people drop out. I'm not sure you will be able to get a trek for 2011. I thought that by now they would all be booked? Trying to get young people of venture age to do anything that is that far ahead is a risk. You might be better off to think small and have a waiting list. Preparing the youth for the trek is a lot of hard work. I don't know what sort of program the youth you are talking about are used too? But trying to get kids who have never done much outdoor activities and hiking ready for a trek? When the youth have so many other things going on? Might be tough. Good Luck. Eamonn.

" A Scout is thrifty". I don't think anyone should pay their own way and pay for the cost of whatever it costs. The cost of gas for a short trip is only a few extra dollars per head. Having a couple of people pay the full cost? Just isn't fair. I don't know of any Scout group that offers to pay for the wear and tear of a vehicle. Towing a good sized boat takes its toll on any vehicle. I'd much rather rent a couple of vans and have everyone share the cost than see a couple of people end up out of pocket. Eamonn

The books I used as a Scout in the UK told this the way that Brent has it. Lord Rowallan was from what I know a nice guy. He was born not far from where I was born. Strange thing is that the house he was born in now has a blue plaque, where I was born is now a family planning clinic. Rowallan seen the need for Scouting in the East End of London. Which was at the time a very rough area. So he bought a very large house which was used to house students attending schools and universities in London on condition that they help out with Scout Troops in the East End. Sadly the upkeep of the house was more than the Scout Association was willing to put up with and the house closed sometime in the late 1970's or early 1980's. A lot of people at the time were very upset at the closing. Today while parts of the East End are still a little rough, for the most part it has become a very trendy area. Ea.

I think it was Green Day who sung: "I hope you have the time of your life" Ea.

William862 Welcome to the forum. Some people, maybe not you? Seem to think that there are lots of people and organizations out there waiting to hand over money to local packs and Troops Sadly this is rarely if ever the case. If there is a "Food Chain"?? Big corporations work with the BSA (National) Or they have so many rules to donate for special or specific reasons that Scouting units never seem to qualify. Some will work with local charities that have qualified with the IRS. Next comes the Council. Councils take a very dim view on units who solicit money from local businesses. This takes away from the community FOS campaign. The feeling is that when Councils get the cash everyone shares in the wealth. Next is the Chartering Organization. Some CO's are great they have been known to help the units that the charter. Some don't seem to know or care what goes on and some are hard to work with. I was CM for a Pack that was chartered by the R/C Church I attend. They have a school and it seems that fund raising for the school in non-stop and ever ending. The church wasn't able to do much for the Scout units and other than allowing the odd bake sale wasn't really behind any efforts to help with fund raising events that the Scout units did. Some units have became registered charities. But the paper work and costs involved are a real burden. However all is not lost! No one can prevent anyone doing what they want with their own hard earned money. (As long as what they are doing isn't illegal!) They is always a chance that someone in your community might have a soft spot for the Troop. This happened when the Troop in our church was restarted. The family of a guy who had earned Eagle in the Troop years back and has passed away gave the Troop $5,000.00 start up money. When another local person who lost a daughter in the Lockerbie Bombing found out that the Troop was restarting he also gave a large sum of money. When the DE found out she tried sniffing around but these people made it clear that they only wanted to support that Troop. Many times the employer's of parents of Scouts in the Troop are willing to help the kids of their workers. Back when I had a couple of restaurants, I gave away so many gift certificates to local Troops which they could then sell. We used to have a big Sony plant near us, they couldn't donate money, but were willing to donate a few TV's to the CO. The CO was willing to use them for a fund raiser and donate the money raised to the Troop. One family who lives in a small town in the District pays for all the rechartering fees for all the units in that town. But for the most part the hard truth is that you are on your own. Working with the Troop Committee you need to come up with a budget that works. For a few years this might mean that some of the things that you might have in mind might have to be put on hold. I could list the things that I think I might want to have on top of my list, but I'm not you and I'm not in your area working with your Scouts. Much the same can be said about fund raisers. Some people have no problem selling tons and tons of popcorn, but I don't know if people in low income areas are willing to spend that sort of money? I've seen different Troops do well with different things, while others have tried the same thing and it just hasn't worked. In time you will find what works and what doesn't for the Troop you serve. The big thing is that you should never be afraid to ask. When I was District Chairman, I made it known that no kid in the District would ever not go to summer camp because he couldn't afford it. I know enough people who if asked will write a check for a couple of hundred bucks. When I was CM we had kids that couldn't afford uniforms, when my wife mentioned this to her co-workers there was never a shortage of Cub Scout shirts. Councils have lots of equipment that is only ever used for summer camp. A word with to the District and Council camping chairs can result in some friendly arm twisting. Eamonn.

I've lost count of the number of times that I have posted about me not being in favor of long lists of rules, bylaws and the like. One reason I'm not for them is because they are either so full of holes and there is a need for so many exemptions that in the end they become meaningless. Not having long lists of specific rules does mean that the person in charge can't hide behind a rule book. How many times have we seen someone new to the forum ask what the BSA policy is on something where there is no policy? Most times I think these people in their heart of hearts know what is the right thing to do, but feel having a rule or policy will make things a little easier for them. A lot of time rules, laws and the like are rushed through with little or no thought as to what the consequence of this will be. Here in PA. Not so long back a guy on parole while robbing a store, shot and killed a Philadelphia policeman. Lord knows we don't want people going around killing anyone let alone policemen. Governor Rendell, who served as mayor of Philadelphia was very upset about this. He for a while put a stop on parole for all people convicted of violent crime. While an investigation was made into how parole was dealt with. At one stage he wanted all people convicted of violent crimes and crimes where firearms were used to serve their full sentence. On the surface this sounds like a great idea. I don't know how well or how badly the way that parole was working. Maybe an investigation was in order? I do know that our correction facilities are already over crowded and understaffed (In part because Governor Rendell, when the economy went south placed a hiring freeze and then dragged his feet for 101 days on the budget.) For the people who work with these convicts, other than the threat of delaying their release, there isn't very much that can be done in the way of discipline. If they know that they will have to serve their entire sentence, there is no incentive for them to do anything. I never read all the stuff that was in the Patriot Act. After 9/11 we all wanted to feel that something was being done that would keep us all a little safer. It seems that some of the stuff in this act, which maybe did take steps to keep us a little safer, also took away some of the rights we have. My old home town London is now full of cameras that watch peoples every move. Some people think that this has gone too far, while others think it's a good thing. The rush to prevent violence in our schools,came after the tragic violence we seen in our schools. I'm sure none of us wants to see kids going to schools armed to the teeth. The zero tolerance policy is easy to hide behind. It does mean that there can be no favorite's or favoritism. The rule is the rule is the... Still. I think a kid who is really messed up and is going to school with all the guns from his Dad's gun cabinet is not going to be deterred by a zero tolerance policy. I think unless we make all of the students go through metal detectors and subject them to searches the best we can hope for is finding this kind of thing (Knives and the like) Only when it's to late. But even though I might think that these zero tolerance rules are a waste of time and a little silly, I'm enough of an old book thumper to think that once we have a rule or a policy, that we are stuck with it until such a time as it is changed. In the case of the kid taking the camp kit to school? I think he shouldn't have taken it to school and the big problem is that the punishment just didn't fit the "Crime". Ea.

I miss my old pal Bob White. I tend too kinda, sorta know some stuff but never was able to lay my hands on it. Bob was always able to send or give me the resource. As I posted this week I had the MBC thing up-side down and inside out! John-in-KC had it right. A lot of people post stuff or ask questions that get my little gray cells working. I'm getting close to an age where the little gray cells need all the help they can get. Ea.

bpaul As you might be able to tell from the accent, I'm not John-in-KC! He talks funny!! For some little time now John has mentioned that the SM is the "Gatekeeper". To be honest I kinda thought he was full of it! (Sorry John.) The way I thought the system was to work (And I should add that I was wrong and John is right!) was that: The Scout decided what badge he wanted to work on. (That was and still is right.) He went to the SM and informed him that he wanted to work on that badge. (That bit is still right.) Now for the bit that I got wrong! The SM then handed the Scout a copy of the Merit Badge list and the Scout selected a MB Counselor. This is not the way it should be done! http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/GuideforMeritBadgeCounselors.aspx States: A Scout first expresses an interest in a particular merit badge by letting his unit leader know. To get him started, the leader may give him a signed Application for Merit Badge (blue card) along with the name and telephone number of a district/council approved merit badge counselor. The Scout then contacts the merit badge counselor and makes an appointment. The merit badge counselor sets a date and time to meet with the Scout and his buddy, and may suggest the Scout bring the merit badge pamphlet along with the blue card. http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/boyscouts/advancementandawards/meritbadges.aspx States: Talk to your Scoutmaster about your interests. Read the requirements of the merit badges you think might interest you. Pick one to earn. Your Scoutmaster will give you the name of a person from a list of counselors. These counselors have special knowledge in their merit badge subjects and are interested in helping you. You are of course right when you say "of course as long as they are a recognized MB counselor by the council" A approved counselor is an approved counselor and it shouldn't make any difference if they belong to the Troop or not. It does now seem that the SM has the last word about which Counselors will and will not be used. I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad thing? Or if it really is a big deal or not? Time will tell. Eamonn (So John, I'm sorry for ever doubting you! Even if you do talk funny!)

I'm willing to admit that I while Council Training Chair. Selected a couple of people who did a really bad job. They didn't get to do it twice! (I made some changes to the way I went about selecting and preparing the people who would be doing presentations.) I really don't think this Creed would have changed the way these guys did their job. Poor presentations and poor training's are the fault of the District and Council Training Chairs. It is up to these chairs to select and train the people who will be doing the trainings. We seem both able and willing to do this with the people selected to staff Wood Badge courses. For myself, I didn't have any problem with the Course Directors Pledge. It didn't have the "Add ons" and wasn't dressed up to look like an add on to the Oath and Law. Ea.

"Such code helps make sure we all keep in mind what we should do as trainers." I really don't have a problem with what I might call a friendly reminder of what has to be done and how to go about getting it done. My problem is the way it is written. Like it's some add on to the Oath and Law. If we feel that the person selected to present the training's can't do the job? Maybe we need to look at how we are selecting the person? What's next signing a document in blood? Ea.