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  1. If anyone wants a copy of the 1990s JLT course syllabus, or in my humble opinion GBB's better BROWNSEA 22 syllabus for leadership training purposes, PM me. One of the things I remember as a youth was a day long training course for PLs and other youth leaders put on by the district. The staff consisted of those Scouts who went through BROWNSEA 22 ( BA 22) in the district, or from neighboring districts. It was excellent. Unfortunately after I went through BA 22, it was announced that we would no longer have BA 22 courses, so the district trainings ceased as well. We passed on what we learne
  2. 2CD, While the new form is a bit long-winded compared to the previous one, one purpose is for the district or council advancement committee folks to approve the person, or disapprove. I know in my district, we did have folks on the committee reviewing all these forms at one time and compiling into a district book. Let's face it you don't want someone who is just one step ahead of the Scout being an MBC? That would be like having me be a Railroading MBC. Also with some of the new requirements for some MBCs, it is needed to make sure the MBCs still qualify. Unfortunately I no longer q
  3. I must respectfully disagree with both Krampus and Frank Scout in regards to 15 year old Vigils. If the process follows the way I have seen it done in two different lodges, THEY WERE NOT GIVEN IT AS A TROPHY. (caps for emphasis, not shouting.) I too have been involved in Scouting for a long time. I too remember when it was common for 14-16 years to be just elected into the Order as that seemed to be the case in my troop growing up. But a few things have changed over the years. 1) In 1989 they removed the time requirements between T-2-1. While it was possible to get First Class in as
  4. A Couple of comments. 1) It is entirely possible for one set of folks on a committee to run multiple units. I've seen this with a SCOUTREACH program where the committee was the same for 3 or 4 different units, and I've seen it with A troop/crew combination. Is it easy, no people should really "wear one hat" (HAHAHAHA pot calling the kettle black )but it is possible and allowed by BSA 2) In some countries, that is how scouting is done, i.e. one committee supports all the units. If I remember correcetly, and one of our Brit members please tell me if I am wrong, A scout groups will co
  5. Fred, Unfortunately some pros DID commit fraud, andit is well documented. Phone books, school year books, and cemeteries, I have heard about. Renewing folded units' charters and refusing tor remove names from a charter is something I've seen first hand and had to deal with the repercussions of it happening. Officially I started 4 units in the 20 months as a DE. In actuality I had 2 additional units that were non existent for several years but still "active." Essentially I followed the new unit process to get them running. But got no credit since the charters were active. And whe
  6. No problem. I used WD-40 to loosen the blade up. That and use. Opinel does make a WOSM version of the knives http://www.worldscoutshops.com/PBSCProduct.asp?ItmID=10356003 http://www.worldscoutshops.com/PBSCProduct.asp?ItmID=10356075
  7. Yes it's too long as is and will be worse if Lions goes nation wide as I've heard may be the case. Cub Scouts is the most leader intensive program of Scouting and does produce burn out. Also many Cubs get bored. I know a Den of Webelos who are chomping at the bit to become Boy Scouts.
  8. Not 30 years ago, only 28years, but we used 3 pot method in the 2 troops I was in growing up.
  9. So unbelievably true. Our society pushes and pushes folks to go to college, even if it isn't a good fit. Heck even some of the skills trades are looking for college degree now. Because in our society a piece of paper saying you completed a program means more than x number of years expereince. Further it's Catch 22 now. You need expereince to get most jobs now, but you need a job to get the expereince. Especially with youth today. Ther are so many rules and restrictions on whatthey can and cannot do, it's no wonder that some companies will not hire youth. Which is another benefit of S
  10. My Opinion. 1) FIRST AID MB ( emphasis not shouting) People find out you're a Scout, the expect you to know first aid, even if you just crossed over to Boy Scouts abotu 2-3 weeks previous to the emergency, 2) Swimming MB OR Instructional Swim. 3) Any Handicraft MB.
  11. Jblake, Most summer camps provide cots nowadays. I don't use one except there. In regards to 8 boys in 3 tents end to end, try 8 boys in a 4 man tent. Big Grin I remember those old wall tents. My troop had 3 in storage with no floors and built in netting. If your patrol damaged the newer tents, you got stuck in one of those. I've never tried it, but it was a regular thing with the German scouts. Not only would they sleep as a patrol in them, they would cook in them too.
  12. Unfortunately, not every Scout is old enough to have a job. Once I was old enough to get one. Generally your 11-14, possibly 15 year olds can't get jobs. Heck even the newspapers nowadays are delivered by adults. And let's not forget with the way the economy is going, a lot of jobs that would be for teenagers are going to unemployed adults.
  13. Khaliela, there is no room for 3 cots in a standard, canvas tent used by summer camps. I let the SPL have a tent to himself.
  14. Well, Looks like the overbearing parents have taken over the troop mentioned above. Since the last post the Old SM of the troop was told by one of the parents that he didn't know what he was doing and the troop is running so much better since he stepped down when he tried to offer advice to her son who was the Troop Guide of the patrol he was ASM for. On several occasions I commented that the former CM needed to step back and let the scouts do the work, only to be told in no uncertain terms that I am not part of the troop and to but out. Sad thing is, my hope for the troop, is seeing som
  15. Youth decide. Growing up we had 3-4 patrols depending upon size of the troop: 2-3 mixed aged patrols and a Leadership Corps, what would now be called a Venture Patrol. Every six months we got to decide where we would go and elect PLs. Rarely would folks move about, but it occurred. New Scouts would be "buddied up" with a scout an placed in a patrol at the Webelos Overnighter, so when they joined the troop, they joined their buddy most of the time. Leadership Corps got interesting. had to be First Class or higher, served as a PL, and be "elected" by the LC to join them. Very informal elect
  16. Base, While I agree it's an abuse, I rather that than the guy buying West Fellowships for the family. 2 Cub, Oh they made sure people knew the Eagles were West Fellows, their names were added to the council's plaque. But I don't remember the certificates and knots being issued.
  17. As one of those scouts who needed an ISA to stay involved, I am all for it. Seriously if it wasn't for the 'scout account' that allowed me to pay dues, go camping, summer camp, etc I would not have been able to afford Scouting after my father walked out. My troop did one fundraiser a year: working at a local fair. The troop got a set amount to do cleanup, and that was divided by the total number of man hours used for cleanup, and each scout that much per hour worked. We could only use it for program,i.e. dues, camp outs, etc, not supplies. Now the troop also had a hot dog and lemonad
  18. That is suppose to be a smiley with the tongue sticking out.
  19. DB, While some give b/c they know how important scouting is, there are some who are knot hungry. I know a guy who paid $4000 so that his entire family would all be West Fellows and wear the knot. I kid you not! Then there is the 50+ year SM who was honored with a West Fellowship by the troop members and alumni for everything he did for the troop over the years. Funniest West story, and one that probably all but 5 of the West Fellows don't even realize they are Fellows is the following. We had a very wealthy and generous donor pass away, leaving a very large sum to the endowment
  20. I do not envy your situation KDD. Your troop sounds like the troop I was hoping my son would join in a few months. Part of me wants to quote the 9th Doctor, " RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!" (caps to show shouting in orignal, not at you), and part of me is hopeful that things will change with my son's den and the group of parents involved with it and will continue on. Someone stated that you start talkign about difference between Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts in Webelos. I respectfully disagree, I say start in Tigers.. I was also lucky enough to have a Den Chief for all of Wolves, and a 2-3 months in Bea
  21. Want some scuttlebutt on why those patches are made by national designed like that? As someone else stated, for the $. Long story short, some patch vendors came up with the design, and staretd sellign them. Then National went into it. I personally hate it b/c it is confusing. And yes, as a former national supply geek, I can tell you a lot of folks have little to no scouting experience. Just looka t some fo the stupid stuff that supply has sold inthe past few years, i.e the Arrow Light pewter belt buckle for the leather belts.
  22. Deaf, YOu better support him as best you can. A good DE is worth their weight in gold.
  23. Depending upon where you are, access to supplies like ranks, books, uniforms, etc can be a challenge. When I was in national supply at a scout shop, we had 4 units, 2 packs and 2 troops that was getting their stuff from the shop I worked at. One had it kinda easy: Email from the unit to corporate HQ caused a call to be made to the shop. Order was filled, paperwork collected, and a company employee would pay and pick it up. The order would then be sent on the next company flight. The other unit was a bit more challenging supply wise. Shipping would be more than most daily orders. So they
  24. While Call Out Ceremonies can be impressive and do publicly acknowledge who was elected into the OA, the Ordeal is the important ceremony, as it tests you and makes you a member. A candidate does not need to have gone through a Call Out Ceremony in order to go to the Ordeal. I missed out on the last chance my old lodge could do a legal Tap Out Ceremony at camporee because I was sick. While I was a little ticked at missing it, especially since a year later national banned them because some ceremonialists were going overboard and it was considered child abuse, in some jurisdictions, I was not p
  25. We built a variation of this, and it is quite safe. The tripod lashing was more to the top and we didn't stand on top of it as that was where the steel rope for the bosun's chair was connected. Also the ladder rungs were integrated onto the tripod and not somewhat detached. We would build a 25'-30' tower on one end, connect steel rope to it and another 20'-25' about 10-25 yards away, and anchor them with guy lines and 2 cars. Hook on your bosun's chair, and you got a 20-30 minute wait for a 30 second ride. Unfortunately BSA now bans any pioneering projects that people will climb on that
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