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  1. Ugh. Rather than reply to a particular post I’ll just put in on the thread. I’m an amateur at best when it comes to forums. first I’ll state again how I am much impressed with the level of maturity from the survivors responses here. Seeings how most of us are stunted in many ways and have had to fight to learn How to communicate on this topic. And survivors we are. There is no need to victim blame / shame either. We have done that to our selves for all the years that led up to this. Ohh… the things we have gone through on this road that was thrust upon us. From 15
    7 points
  2. The BSA would've been in it's current position regardless of what it did regarding membership policies. The bill for sexual abuse was going to come due regardless.
    7 points
  3. There's a lot here, but most every single point you got is wrong. The COR most certainly can fire anyone and everyone. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, is there at the pleasure and on the signature of the COR. The COR says you are gone, you are gone. The only person "above" the COR is the Institutional Head, which this person apparently is as well (see item #6) Not only is having the Key-3 from the same chartered organization permitted, it is actively encouraged in order for the unit-CO relationship to be strong. It is true no one may charter in two different positions (e.g. AS
    6 points
  4. Hello All. New here-first post. I read these forums for hours and hours, and signed up to post this. So, as I understand the upshot of it all: 1. That National initially indicated that Local Councils would pay nothing and be protected but now the Local Councils are expected to pay $600 million which will result in the sale of hundreds of Local Council Camps and Council offices, though the National High Adventure Camps will be protected and survive. 2. That National initially indicated that Chartering Organizations would pay nothing and be protected but now Chartering Org
    6 points
  5. The blind eye was turned not because it would tarnish good scouters instead it was turned because they didn’t want to tarnish the reputation of the national organization Boy Scouts of America. The stink is on all those who facilitated the carrying out of that policy.
    5 points
  6. No, if they followed precedent they would have split cit world into world and universe.
    5 points
  7. I advocate for the Fieldbook as a primary resource too. Especially the first one. I often find copies of these at garage sales for $1. I have mentioned in the past a patrol could go page by page with the original fieldbook and lead a fantastic program.
    5 points
  8. Sounds a lot like someone who got kicked out of the dance and found himself complaining about the music from the parking lot.
    5 points
  9. Our troop goes and does stuff. That is the goal. On many occasions we get a parent (or leader) that feels we should have "advancement outings", work on this or that specifically. The SM and key leaders always push back on that and continue to just push going and doing stuff. Go have fun. Now just because we do not have specific advancement thrusts on outings, does not mean that advancement does not (or cannot) happen on an outing. I always like working with Scouts on Camping merit badge, first we camp (not including summer camps) over 20 nights a year so most Scouts get that pa
    5 points
  10. They realize this is probably the last major opportunity to kick around and the BSA. Given that TL prohibits gays I would never let my son join nor would he want to (just as I would never support any organization that would exclude people based on race).
    5 points
  11. I think you guys are right on the money. I think that there is way too much focus on teaching lessons and building leaders when the focus should be on having fun outside.
    5 points
  12. Sure. There's the Bankruptcy Code, the law enacted by Congress that deals with, well, bankruptcy. That's found U.S. Code Title 11 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/11 There you'll find familiar names CHAPTER 7—LIQUIDATION (§§ 701 – 784) and CHAPTER 11—REORGANIZATION (§§ 1101 – 1195). So far, so good. Rules of practice and procedure of federal courts were until the Rule Enabling Act of 1934 also entirely in the hands of Congress. Since 1934 there's a shared arrangement: the courts (through the federal Judicial Conference) can adopt rules of practice and procedure, but Cong
    4 points
  13. I would suggest that you learn the rules before you take over as scoutmaster. Somebody is giving you wrong information. At the very least, you should seriously avoid criticizing other scouters until you get your facts straight.
    4 points
  14. Just returned from Summer Camp. 33 of 38 Scouts attended. (86.8%!!!) Would have been 34, but one pulled out last minute due to a broken foot. ($465 per head with $50 early bird discount...some came in later at $515. Plus a $40 bus ride to/from camp...so minimum $505 per camper.) Last month, we offered a 35-mile hike over 5 days/4 nights on the Appalachian Trail. We used this to conduct a Leave No Trace Trainer Course. Only five Scouts took the opportunity. ($110 per head.) We also do a Troop high adventure each summer. In two weeks, we leave for a 50-mile canoe trek (no portag
    4 points
  15. We have a new CM that knows it all because, well you know. He poked my kid the other day and stated loudly, "he can't that have that patch there, you know". Its a Whittlin' Chip patch on his right pocket flap on a Webelos uniform. Maybe it can be there, maybe it cant. I have seen the arguments on that one. I DO know that the minute he poked my kid it fused that patch to the shirt more firmly that badge magic and it just wont come off now.
    4 points
  16. Absolutely. Ditch the stuff scouting does not shine at. .... at least minimize. Scouting SHINES when it takes kids outside. Hiking. Biking. Canoe. Teaching outdoor skills. Scouting bumbles around in just too many other areas. Scouting can claim so many positive reasons to be a scout IF IT WOULD JUST STOP DESIGNING THE PROGRAM TO TARGET THOSE REASONS. The reason to be a scout is simple. To be outside. To have adventures. To try new things. To make friends. To explore the world. To sit by a campfire. ... The rest is hogwash. Sure it's neat to point and brag at,
    4 points
  17. Part of the problem, too, is that we are trying to create these country-club type experiences for people. Swimming pools, air conditioning, hot showers and flush toilets, climbing towers, ATV programs, bicycle liveries, STEM centers with computer labs, bands, fireworks, catered food service...sorry, but we have lost the bead on what a week under canvas is supposed to look like. How much does a wilderness camp cost to maintain?
    4 points
  18. This is a great comment. By focusing on one leader the BSA, while talking about leadership, pushes aside teamwork and also responsibility. It's much easier to learn leadership if one is confident in what needs to be done and the team understands how to work together.
    4 points
  19. This reminds me of a campout the PLC planned where the patrols would went on a course with a 3 mile hike, 5 mile bike ride and canoeing navigation course. The patrols had 15 stops where the had to do a skills competition. Very complexe and we thought it would take the whole Saturday. All the patrols carried lunch with them, but in the end, all 6 patrols completed the course by noon and eat lunch in the camp site. But, the story in the story is I got a call from a pack leader a week before asking if their 3 dens of 23 Webelos could camp with us to check out the troop. I wasn’t sure how we
    4 points
  20. -The smile and look of absolute, pure joy from the Scout (with a single mom) with cerebral palsy who caught his first fish! - The grin from the small-statured Scout who learned to handle a canoe solo and completed Canoeing Merit Badge... - Running into an Eagle Scout at Philmont, now a Scoutmaster, who I hadn't seen in 20 years, and he tells his Scouts there, "This is Mr. X!", and the look of wonder from them that I really do exist...I can only imagine the stories he told...like how he felt when he finished his first 50-miler in our old Troop, or really learning to navigate and orien
    4 points
  21. I always struggle with this explanation because it's not about female that set the program back, it's the large influx of adults without any scouting experience. I was there, so I know the passion and enthusiasm moms brought to the troop program. I personally trained many female Scoutmasters. But, like just about all male and female leaders without a scouting experience, they didn't have the experience as a youth to guide them into what drives youth to scouts, ADVENTURE!. Adults by their nature look at stature as the goal of their adults decisions. Adults strive to be better at everythin
    4 points
  22. The request of others (me) and direction of the moderators was regarding global, general aspersions and negative characterizations. They specifically said it can be appropriate and acceptable to comment on the actions, etc., of attorneys and other players as it is relevant to the case, as in this situation. Also, I see no abusive or derogatory language in either of the posts quoted. I may have missed the point you were trying to make.
    4 points
  23. I hope you stay strong. You've already hit on the most important part of all of this, what happened WAS a part of your past. This bankruptcy though has dragged it into the present for those who were ready for it as well as those who weren't. I hope for all our sakes that at some point we can all find a way to put this back in the past where it belongs. That's a tough destination to reach and the path is an individual one, sometimes interminably long with a lot of detours. Just don't ever give up and you'll keep getting closer.
    4 points
  24. I can't wait for the next episode. Is it getting to the good part? Since the mediation parties agreed to pay the Coalition millions of cheddar for their critical role in reaching the deal, sans a hinted at objection by the TCC, do all said parties oppose "exposing" the Coalition? I know it will delay the process, but I will again admit and reiterate my feelings. These are not well thought out as to the impact at this stage, but they arose from about September 2020 through the bar date. I resented and also panicked watching the exponential rise in claims through a process that seemed painless t
    4 points
  25. One of the most alarming, although slightly funny, experiences I had on this subject was with my last AOL den. At their cross over ceremony they were so pumped and ready to be Scouts. All they wanted to do was camp, hike, shoot, high adventure, etc. And then the Scoutmaster got up and said a few words of welcome to them. He spent the next few minutes talking to them about leadership, hard work, merit badges and how Eagle Scout would look on their college applications; how important it was to "get it all done" before things got real busy for them in high school. He told them that the challeng
    4 points
  26. Outside of an Eagle board of review I have never heard a kid say they joined Scouts to " become a fine leader"; "learn to be self reliant"; "learn important lessons that will help me through my life's journey" or any of the other grand ideas that many Scout leaders focus on. Nooooooo, instead I hear things like " to camp out"; "so I can have a knife"; "to go swimming"; "to go to summer camp"; "to mess with fire"; or simply " to have FUN." I just can't help to wonder how many young people are very disappointed and just walk away because they didn't get what they thought they would get.
    4 points
  27. Moderator Note: I'm being admittedly over-bearing on the issue because of how fast it tends to spiral out of control, but I have deleted a few more comments and posts referencing the legal profession in general. It was a newer member, so I'm not issuing any reprimands, but I wanted to remind people that the rule is still in effect, even if I'm not as quick to see the posts over the weekend. For those of you who have been around for a while, I'd like to encourage you to simply flag posts that stray into dangerous waters rather than replying to them. Reporting them doesn't automatica
    3 points
  28. As a parent, I’d want the abuser to suffer in ways more creative than any I could even come up with. I’m not sure that would be of any help to a child. Or a grown man who was abused as a child. It appears there’s not much that does help - no undoing what was done. And yes, I’d want the organization that allowed it to pay. Still, I want to see scouting continue because I see my older son, who had some pretty major issues with anxiety, self-doubt, and suicidal thoughts as a 10-11 year old, and who has a very mild learning disability, become stronger and more confident through the opportu
    3 points
  29. MB program screams for change. Personally, I would love seeing the Citz MBs merged into Civics. Now the big challenge is keeping the politics out of the changes. Anything hinting at picking a side or leaning one direction or another will blow up. 100% guarantee it.
    3 points
  30. African or European?
    3 points
  31. I wanted Lif01-32almostaneagle21 but that was taken. Thank you for the welcome!
    3 points
  32. I remember going to the circus when I was a kid and remember it being a lot more fun. Same treatment of the animals though. ive been following this forum for awhile now and just now decided to chime in. Seems like a calm before the storm so I wanted to pipe up. ive been involved in this since before the bankruptcy. My state, I don’t own it, opened its window in 2020 and my lawyer team filed on my behalf on the 2nd of Jan. They warned it could turn to BR. They even asked if I still wanted to go through with it after that fact. Now I understand why it was questionable. But he
    3 points
  33. Things are frustrating and difficult. It takes much longer for awards to be processed and returned, other national services are delayed, and property is disappearing. So what do we do? Whatever it takes to deliver the program; if our local camp goes away we camp in a friendly farmers field, swim in his lake and catch his fish. That may not be easy but it can be done! Scout On my friends 😉
    3 points
  34. All that you say is true. But what am I to do if I still believe in the program and my 3 girls and wife enjoy it? Damm the torpedoes and full speed ahead. KBO (keep buggering on) as Churchill said. I don’t serve on any national committees, so all I can do is my part “and leave nothing on the field”. It is all that most of us can do. Am I worried about the longevity as the program as we’ve know it? Sure. Are things going well in My neck of the woods? Yes. Has my boyhood camp that I spent 4 summers on staff at been sold? Yes. It hurts, but my current council is humming along well. KBO
    3 points
  35. Real camps don't have wifi. Go sit on a rock and enjoy the breeze.
    3 points
  36. How critical is the CO concept? To me, not at all since 99% of COs don’t do anything other than provide space free of charge. What happens if organizations don’t provide space free of charge? The organization crumbles. It has been hard as our troops and pack have been a wandering group of pandemic refugees. It is hard to grow when you meet outside of a school with no access to bathrooms or each unit meets at member houses backyards. Not easy.
    3 points
  37. But the point of the insurers, and I'd point out some of the victims lawyers now, is that it isn't the Trustee's job yet. The Trustee doesn't have a job until 2/3rds of (voting) claimants approve the plan and that at least some (many? most?) of those 82,500 voters shouldn't be voting in the first place. Some of this is just sloppy lawyering (mass approval of the claims in a frenzy of last minute signing) and some is 100% made up. The Coalition's objection basically agrees with you: challenging the claims is premature, let's just vote and fight it out at either the confirmation stage or th
    3 points
  38. My opinion… councils don’t care. Mine seems more than happy to be considering dumping their remaining two camps. They said… go to State Parks. Camps are seen as a liability to some councils. Councils who care will find a way to fund the settlement without selling key properties. The rest are jumping at the chance to maintain salary and their office space. My opinion is likely shaped by a recent update from my council … as you may tell I’m a bit bitter right now.
    3 points
  39. I would not support a sale even though I have not been there. I've been to SeaBase and the BWCA camp. I would support transitioning it to a national park that is specialized and protected for all youth to use; including scouts.
    3 points
  40. Yes, do. But the same essential problems rear their head: 1. No one reads. (This includes adults.) 2. Many do not learn from reading. (This includes adults.) When I give rides to Scouting events, we always use the drive time productively. Scouts who want to cover requirements, discuss merit badges, troop or patrol business, often jump in the car with me and the SPL/ASPL. I point the way, and the SPL/ASPL or senior Scout does the instruction and sign off...it is a beautiful thing. The Scout/SPL/PL Handbooks (my personal copies) are staple items during the ride.
    3 points
  41. More media churn. This article is not about BSA. If it was, it would admit that the "demise" is more of a "denouement" ... protracted over a half-century. It would talk about how membership began to decline in concert with policies intended to appeal to its (assumed) majority base. Nor is it about TL/USA. If it was, it would admit that this organization has not taken up the "slack" of scouts who left BSA before aging out -- in 2013 or any other year. It has not attracted the vast majority of Christian communities. It's a fun ride, but nothing "like wildfire." If it cared, it
    3 points
  42. It appears "Peter" has checked in since his initial post. Odd he has not responded.
    3 points
  43. There are two, somewhat overlapping issues as near as I can tell. 1) What, precisely, are the financial ties and legal roles of Kosnoff, his lawfirm, "Abused in Scouting", and the Coalition? And what are their legal authorities to speak on behalf of victims? Going back to at least August 2020, Century insurance has filed a series of "Rule 2019" motions and demands to demand a clear understanding of what Kosnoff's role is, what his firm's role is, and what the Coalition's role is and "Abused in Scouting" is The August 2020 motion: https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/
    3 points
  44. That is due to federal law and has nothing to do with BSA's wishes. In short, all pensions are guaranteed by the federal government (Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation). You cannot attack the pension via bankruptcy and even if the pension became part of the bankruptcy in the event of a liquidation the pension program gets paid out first/near the top. So no, you cannot attack the pension. No. The decision is the Council's. Precisely because Councils ARE independent entities, the decision on their assets belongs to the Council, not National and not the Council/Scout Executive. Rig
    3 points
  45. Well, BSA did mention the DC revival in their First Day Motions Informational Brief [D.I. 4], filed on the first day of the case, page 5: https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/799040_4.pdf "In January 2020, for example, a group of plaintiffs filed suit in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia alleging that the District’s recent revival-window legislation permits plaintiffs to bring previously time-barred claims, regardless of where the abuse occurred or where the plaintiff resides. [footnote: See Does 1-8 v. Boy Scouts of America, No. 20-00017 (RJL)
    3 points
  46. I found two different versions of the lyrics translated from Czech to English. Here is the first: Here is the second:
    3 points
  47. Our council stated that territories are coming in to evaluate camp needs between councils. Don’t forget that it is highly likely many councils will merge post bankruptcy … so the sale of council camps must be coordinated. So there is some coordination going on. While I am sad to see camps go, they were not fully utilized when we had 4M scouts let alone 1M. A bunch of camps utilized at 25% capacity or worse leads to decline of all camps. It would be better to focus use on fewer camps to increase their utilization. Volunteer hours can then be focused on those camps. My bigge
    3 points
  48. I forgive you Johnsch322. Now that you are forgiven, what is your address? And what was that thing that smelled so bad you left in the trunk. Happy 4th everyone. It feels good to get silly, if only for a day. Sincerely, The Mutts
    3 points
  49. One thing I saw someone wearing was a leather rounder with Eagle mentor pins on it. He wore it as a temporary patch. If I was to wear unofficial pins, I would go this route.
    3 points
  50. Actually, parent pins shouldn't be worn on the uniform, and there's really nothing to be gained by doing so. Let your child represent him- or herself in the youth uniform. You best represent the Scouts by being properly uniformed yourself, and part of that means remembering that parents' pins are meant for non-uniform wear. Nowadays, there are nice parent ribbons available at the Scout Store on the which you may place your pins, but again, those are not to wear on the uniform. In our troop, when we present our parent pins we remind them that while they are lovely reminders of their child's acc
    3 points
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