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  1. 3 points
    Wanted to give an update, especially since @CodyMiller351 posted about a problem Scouter and this may help him out. My boys and I leaving was indeed the catalyst for the troop's core adults to start fixing things. Even the COR got involved as he heard grumblings from the Scouts about too many adults at the BORs he conducted. The core adults know why I actually left, and not the polite reason I am giving everyone, which is indeed true, but not the complete reason. And they too have heard some grumblings from the youth. The core adults met, discussed the issue, and came out with some rules to not only limit the number of adults on a camp out, but also limit the number of adults that can interfere with a patrol. Basically there are 2 adults assigned to each patrol. Not perfect IMHO, but it is an improvement. New adults must be on the committee for a minimum of a year and complete troop committee training before the end of their first year in order to continue in that role. In order to be an ASM you must be on the committee, complete troop committee training, complete SM and ASM Specific Training, complete ItOLS , AND there has to be an opening ASM position. Exception to this is the 18-20 year old ASMs since that cannot serve on the committee until 21. They then went to the COR, who has heard some grumblings from the Scouts on this matter. Again when he found out my boys and I left over this issue, I think it was a wakeup call for him. COR approved the changes. When it was announced, there were a lot of grumblings from two families, and a parents' meeting has been requested to go over this. These folks do not understand how the COR got involved, and think it is the core leadership singling them out. They do not understand how their actions are hurting not only their sons' experiences, but everyone else's. While I am glad the changes are finally happening, I wish it would have come a lot earlier. I am praying for the troop's success in this matter.
  2. 2 points
    19, eh? Props and a Scout salute to you! I was once an ASM for a brand new troop at that age. SM was a good guy but knew nothing about scouting. So I pretty much ran the whole show while he did the paperwork. As others have pointed out, being young gives you a closer bond with the scouts than is possible with us old folks. They will look up to you and copy you. ( scared yet?) The down side is that some of the older adults have a hard time seeing you as an adult. I said things as a 20 year old to some 40 year old parents and was completely blown off. I say the exact same thing now and they say " Yes sir". Grey hair does have some advantages after all. Shouldn't be that way but it is. So talk to the other leaders, explain to them your vision of what the troop should be, and how it's going to get there. Get them on your, that is to say scoutings, side. If all of them politely tell the difficult parent "That's not how we roll here" it's probably going to be easier for him to accept than just coming from you.
  3. 2 points
    That changes my understanding. First of all, a big round of applause for taking this on. Second, getting Grandpaw to help with this guy is a good idea. And any other adults. Third, officially you're an adult but the scouts are going to see you as one of them. That's a big plus. Use this to your advantage. You love backpacking and these scouts are looking up to you. So go backpacking. It doesn't all have to be long hikes. And some campouts that require all food to be cooked in dutch ovens will make for a fun break. As long as you look out for them and throw some fun things in the mix go ahead and challenge them. Something else you might not realize but now is a really important time to start looking for webelos bridging over. If you could get 4 more scouts in February that would be awesome. I have no idea what's going on with the pack that was at your chartering organization. Anyway, it would be great to develop a relationship with a pack or two. Talk to your scouts about how important this is and see if you can get them to help with some dens. Be Den Chiefs. Invite them camping with you. Den leaders are burned out by now so reaching out to them will be greatly appreciated. One thing about being the SM is having a vision of what the troop is about. Sharing that with everyone helps keep everyone on the same page and also is a great way to sell your troop to packs. Ask Grandpaw to help with this. We can also help.
  4. 2 points
    Simple plan (one you can explain to the boys): choose each campsite twice as far from the cars as was chosen on the previous campout. By the end of spring, you'll be hiking in a quarter mile; summer, a mile or two; late fall, four to six miles. Boys grow fast! Call the rangers at most camps, they will be more than happy to set this up for you. Many have special sites set aside for folks to hike into. Others have trails or canoe treks between a sister camp. Three adults + three scouts. That, some rope, and some tarps ... and you're good to go. Give your adults full warning that they are to get in shape or find someone trustworthy who is. The "big tent" is to be the exception, not the rule. Don't worry, there'll still be plenty of opportunities for close quarters: camporees, webelos weekends, etc ... but your scouts will get the idea and maybe share it with a buddy or two, and hopefully by the end of the year they'll be a tight knit patrol and your difficult leader will worship the ground you walk on.
  5. 1 point
    All the world’s a trail, And all the boys and girls merely hikers; They have their exits and their entrances, And one Scout in their time plays many parts, Their acts being seven ages. At first, the Tenderfoot, Huffing and aching in the Patrol Leader’s gaze. Then the willing Second Class, with his backpack And shining new boots, creeping like snail Willingly to camp. And then the First Class, Working like journeyman, with a woeful ballad Made to his buddy’s ’ cookset. Then a Star Scout, Full of fun tales and dirty like the worker, Jealous in honor, sudden and quick to help, Seeking the bubble reputation Even in the campfire’s smoke. And then the Life Scout, In fair proud and downlooking to the Tenderfoot, With eyes severe and mien of formal cut, Full of wise saws and modern instances; And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts Into the sage and sought after , With spectacles on nose and pouch on side; His youthful face, well shaved, a world too wide For his Eagle earned, and his big manly voice, Turning again toward childish treble, pipes And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all, That ends this strange eventful history, Is Scout Leader, signed and devoted he, Sans time, sans money, sans gear, sans everything but Scouts to inspire.
  6. 1 point
    If my comments seem ageist, please bear with me as that is not the intent. In fact I was in similar shoes once long ago. Your age is both a curse and a blessing. A curse in that you will encounter adults who will ignore you, be condescending to you, and outright rude to you all because of your age. But it is also a blessing you close enough to the Scouts' ages that you can relate to them, be a confidant and mentor them You probably have more influence over the Scouts than the other adults do, and more than you even realize. While you cannot change the adults, use that influence over the Scouts to create a program the Scouts wants. As for your relationship with the official SM/.grandfather, he may be grumpy , but if he has dealt with these problems in the past, you can probably understand why. It is not a fun situation. You may want to take him to a "neutral" place like a coffee shop, restaurant, etc and have a chat with him about everything going on, make sure he knows what is going on. You need to get him aboard with what your vision is since you are the defacto SM. You are also going to need allies in the other adults who agree with you. Once you get granddad behind you, you need to meet with the other adults who agree with you and get a unified statement. Get your COR behind it too. Then confront the adult causing problems. Good luck
  7. 1 point
    Vision at your age might sound trivial, but we humans find noble idealism hard to argue against. Adults on one hand want the fun of scouting, and on the other hand they like purpose with their fun. Even the best scoutmasters has to learn how to justify the fun for the noble cause. Barry
  8. 1 point
    If you really want to go back to the early days, pre BSA, go back as far as the Crystal Palace Rally of 1909. A number of girls showed up there calling themselves "Girl Scouts". One of those girls was Marguerite de Beaumont who later wrote a biography of Baden-Powell, which my daughter really enjoyed reading. The book is The Wolf That Never Sleeps and it was published by the Girl Guide Association in England in 1944 (with some later reprints.) I was able to find it through alibris.com.
  9. 1 point
    This is key. Before you talk to the "problem guy", talk to these folks and be sure you are on the same page about your vision, and expectations. If possible, garner their help with dealing with "the problem".
  10. 1 point
    BTW: ours was not a backpacking troop, and water purification was foreign to us. I remember nighttime insertions where we would go back those hundreds of yards to shuttle the 20 gal army surplus water bottle! Next time, talk to the state park ranger about a primitive site removed from the cars. Grandpaw's still "wearing the patch." So, commit to sitting down with him to review each weekend you all go on. Just give him the good, the bad, and the ugly as you saw it. Most of SM's and Advisor's get a reputation for not being the easiest people to deal with. The more adults you deal with the more you'll understand why. It might seem like a nuisance, but in the long run all that talk might make you a team.
  11. 1 point
    This may not work for you, but even at a State campground, there is often a main parking lot. Use that and then hike into the campground area. This will also free up space in the site to use. Do you have the support of any other adult leaders (besides grandpaw?)
  12. 1 point
    So, how far from your vehicles were you when you difficult leader started blowing smoke about the big tent? Honestly, growing up, our SM never parked the car within eyesight of the camp. Note: I said "car" -- singular because the other drivers dropped us off and picked us up at the end of the weekend. I think you need to bounce this off of Grandpaw, and have him tell it like it is to these adults. The result might not always go your way. But, if he lays out a standard of conduct, your odds of this errant adult falling in line are a little better.
  13. 1 point
    As someone who has dealt with this type of adult i can tell you this : IF YOU DO NOT NIP IT IN THE BUD NOW, IT WILL GET WORSE! (caps, bold, and underline for MAJOR emphasis, not shouting). My sons and I just left a troops with adults like this. Unfortunately I was not the SM and was unable to nip it in the bud. Problem grew and grew until SM and others were fed up with the adults acting like you mentioned.
  14. 1 point
    This is the part of the problem that I would address first, as playing inappropriate media while with Scouts shows a serious lack of judgement on his part. Also, it only takes one Scout to go home and talk about what he may have seen or heard on this leader's phone to cause parents to pull their Scouts, or for someone to file a YPT complaint against the troop leadership.
  15. 1 point
    Sure it depends on the site size and available sites, we camp so the scouts can camp and do what scouts do. I expect adults in my troop to be flexible with tent size and be available to suppport what the scouts want to do. With only 3 scouts it sounds like a new troop trying to form so best to start off by creating a scout led troop. Good luck!
  16. 1 point
    I see a lot of back-country backpacking trips in your future!
  17. 1 point
    Thank you all for your input and advice. I have been following the thread, but unable to comment until this morning. Last night my son received a call from the district leader, who it turns out was the gentleman who told us to appeal. He told my son that even though in the original meeting they did not have a unanimous decision, there was another meeting where they went over his qualifications and reviewed his project again. This time he was approved. He is now an Eagle in waiting. He was told that the papers will be sent to National as soon as they get a signature from him due to it being a different date that his original BoR date. I didn't know they could do that, but I'm not about to look a gift horse in the mouth. 😊 Thank you for all of your help. He was making notes from your comments and was drafting his appeal using your advice when he got the call. He, and I, appreciate it very much.
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