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    Vigil Nominee

    Only if he asks you point blank. A scout is honest.
  2. @skeptic now that I've had a few moments to think, I apologize if I came off as kind of snarky. I realize and you are trying to do what you think is best for scouting, it's just that what you seem to see as scouting and what I see as scouting are two entirely different animals called by the same name. And I must admit that I have an emotional response when I'm told to " check your privilege, get over yourself, stop speaking as a member of your class, etc. Mostly by the twentyish crowd when they cannot find a way to counter my points during a discussion. Again my apologies, Oldscout
  3. @ParkMan you have more of the Christmas spirit than I this day. Thanks, thats more or less what I was thinking. My primary task on troop/ patrol campouts for the last year has been to try and keep the adults in their lane. This is going to make it all but impossible
  4. " Get over your attitudes" ? Exactly when did you got promoted to forum parent? I must have missed the memo/ meeting. Regarding the magazine, it came I read I trashed.
  5. I am convinced that if the earth was indeed flat, the housecats would have pushed everything off the edge with great satisfaction.
  6. Paperwork for rechartering needs to be filed in 12 hours, I still haven't signed. Nor do I plan to. I'm more than a little melancholy but since it will have been exactly 50 years next week since I first put on a boyscout uniform, I guess I shouldn't complain. Been a long fun filled trail. " The road goes ever on and on, out from the door where it began, but I at last with weary feet, turn toward the lighted inn. My evening rest and sleep to meet"
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    Wood splitting tips

    Ok I get you. But WHY is in ILOS at all? It just seems to teach misuse. Which drives the woodworker and tool collector in me nuts! I just hate finding a 50 year old ax with beautiful balance and a laminated steel blade rendered almost useless because some barbarous philistine beat the butt end with a sledgehammer! Ever read any books by Eric Sloan? When I took IOLS 20 years ago. We had a knife and ax instructor who insisted that axes should not be used by scouts at all because they were to slow and dangerous. And therefore to set a "good" example the scouters shouldn't use them either. We had quite the argument after the class was over. I did my best to keep it courteous until he tried to pull rank. I actually had a SM stop me from chopping wood for a campfire about 10 years back. it seems that in his troop scouts were only allowed to place the ax on the branch perpendicular to the grain, and then hammer the dull ax through the branch using a log for a mallet. His troop so his rules I guess... But I did say something like" You'll na be usin any dammed shilleliegh on any ax o' mine laddie!" I told him that he was doing his scouts a disservice. I still think so dinosaur that I am. But as i think on it, this just might help explain why at the last area Ordeal not one of the scouts brought an ax, saw, or hand ax. When it came time to build the council fire they were indeed a sad and pathetic sight. Oldscout448 We really do need to get together and have that cup o' joe sometime.
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    Wood splitting tips

    As someone else who has chopped, split and stacked many a cord of firewood, here are my 2 cents. Firstly everything Matt and JoeBob said was right on the money. Secondly, if you are chopping, there is just as much difference between a razor sharp blade and a pretty sharp blade, as there is between a pretty sharp and a dull one. A properly honed Estwing half ax will cut thru a two inch thick poplar branch with a single stroke making a clear Ping sound. An ax ground for splitting will not chop well. Likewise an ax honed for chopping is not ideal for splitting. Thus the need for at least 2 axes or a double bit. Bend your knees, snap your wrists. SSScout, I love ya like a brother but a shilleliegh ? Really? I had heard that such a method had been taught in some nearby districts but had assumed it was a product of people who had no real experience or skill with a blade. And I know that's not you.. But it's a lot slower. Like about eight times as slow. If we don't teach the scouts the correct way and time and place to use woods tools who will? Use a wedge n sledge, or a froe if you must but let us not teach the abuse of a tool. Be it a Walmart piece of junk or an old Kelly Flintedge.
  9. As well as a few other things.
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    LDS Youth Program for 2020

    You are certainly in a new world, that much is very clear. Utopian or dystopian ? That remains to 'be seen. Boyscouts was designed as an adventure for the boys, Scouts BSA looks like a family camping club with parents, siblings, boys, girls, and everything in between. It has been said on this, and other, forums that the new wave of scouts and scouters are better off without the "old fogey" crowd. That sadly goes both ways. I find myself pondering if I will be able to recommend that my grandsons join cubscouts in 5 years. Then I wonder if the organization will even still exist. I'd say it's 50-50.
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    Scouting in Blighted Communities

    A fool's errand? Of course it is. So when has that ever stopped us? I've been a part of such an attempt twice, once in a poor part of Maryland (tobacco fields and 20 year old pickups), once in a urban setting where ankle monitors on the scouts were not uncommon. From my very limited experience 1- you can NOT help someone who does not want to be helped. All you can do is make sure they know the offer is there. 2- parents have more influence than a scout leader. 3- there are some who are looking for a way out, something better. Even if they try to hide it in order to fit in or act tough . These are the kids you are looking for. The few who make it worth the stress and the effort. 4- start with the churches.
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    Troop Pressure for OA

    I never have understood the LEC obsession with getting the various awards and certifications from National. According to its founder, the OA is supposed to be a thing of the individual and the spirit. In any brotherhood ceremony, I would rather have 10 arrowmen who have taken the admonition to heart, than 100 who just mouthed the words because their SM "encouraged" them to go because the chapter/ lodge needed the numbers. I don't look at anyone wearing an ordeal sash at automatically think "he's not really serious about the Order". If he is a friend to the younger scouts, if he helps with the hard tasks without being prodded, if he looks for ways to serve, then he is in truth one of our brotherhood. The sash is just a sash.
  13. Well, as a start to the story we now have a charming young lady who wants to join the ceremonies team. Which probably deserves its own thread.
  14. I always worry and fret too nuch beforehand. Most of the horrid scenarios that play out in my head as I'm trying to fall asleep never come to pass. Two and a half days out and we still don't know who two of the principal's will be played by. Guess I'll figure it out when I get there.
  15. Well the fall area ( our lodge is big enough it has areas made up of 4-5 chapters ) Ordeal is this weekend. Lows temps 20-25. That's cabin camping for a lot of troops in this area. I'm wondering if they will put all the candidates in the lodge Friday night. Safety and all that. On a somewhat related topic, our chapter was asked to perform the Ordeal ceremony. The request came last Sunday! Two of our best guys are taking their gf to their high schools homecoming dance. Yikes!
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    Discouraged: A Very Poor Call Out Ceremony

    " The best leaders of all are the ones that the people do not know exist. They look at each other and say ' We did it ourselves!' '
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    Discouraged: A Very Poor Call Out Ceremony

    That the members of the current Executive committee have "forgotten the faces of their fathers"
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    Discouraged: A Very Poor Call Out Ceremony

    I got that bit. It's just that if we knew that a candidate or group of candidates had blatantly refused to complete their ordeal, Kitch would probably not lead them into our Circle. And Nut certainly wouldnt be letting them in if he did. If the adviser chose to give them their sash afterward then that is his prerogative to do so. But he would have quite a fight trying to persuade us to do a ceremony with them present. Hazing? Heck, send 'em to sit in the mess hall and feed them ice cream. Anywhere they want. Just not in our ceremonies ring. That's reserved for them as deserve it.
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    Discouraged: A Very Poor Call Out Ceremony

    First round is on me. 18 year old Glenlevit work for you?
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    Discouraged: A Very Poor Call Out Ceremony

    I hear you brother, I'm constantly telling my team but if I can memorize all four parts for all three of the usual ceremonies plus the vigil they can memorize at least one. I remember well how horrified I was to see a pre ordeal ceremony read, and read badly, by flashlight! It helps a lot if the older scouts have their parts down cold and "encourage " the younger scouts to up their game if they want to play on our team. I am puzzled as to why the sitting candidates were allowed to go thru the ordeal ceremony. If we had such a situation I very much doubt the team would perform with them in our ring.
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    Discouraged: A Very Poor Call Out Ceremony

    Don't know what to say in cases like that. If there are truly no traditions and more importantly no service then in my opinion (and Allowats) they do not deserve to wear the arrow. I guess folding the teepee up and riding into the sunset might just be your only option. Do we raise a glass to the old days or just sit down and weep?
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    Discouraged: A Very Poor Call Out Ceremony

    The fire may indeed be dying down, but it won't be my hand that puts it out. We are still fighting to keep it going here. Last weekend we did a full blown tapout ceremony for one ( yes just one) scout who's crew had their election too late for the spring callout and ordeal. It was about 4 hours of work for 6 arrowmen to make it all happen. But they did it cheerfully. i suspect National wouldn't approve of our little ceremony, but we are way beyond caring or asking for permission at this juncture. The scouts have this deep seated conviction that the order belongs to THEM. (especially the 20 year old vigils) Not some faceless bureaucrats in Irving Texas. I mean absolutely no disrespect, I know you guys loved the Order as much as I did and that's saying something. I can read the writing on the wall, but I guess I'm just a stubborn old Irishman who's too thick to quit. Oldscout (Mikemossin Wunachk )
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    Good to have an older brother on the forum! I celebrated my 45th anniversary last weekend. I expected to be at our fall ordeal, but it was moved to a later date. (See the 6 month thread) I hope to live long enough to get to the 50 year mark too, but at this point, I'm not certain that the Order will.
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    Sadly true