dan

From Wood Badge Setup an unmodel campsite, and have the scouts find all of the things done wrong, dig a hole for a fire, ashes dumped on the ground, trees limbs cut down, etc. Have a contest on what to do with feeces(sp)!

So they are required?

In the What to do about late outing cancellations thread. A few posters discussed permission slips. What are they for? Are they needed? It seems that this take the responsibility off of the scout and puts it on the parent's. Is this not opposite of what we are trying to teach?

Each patrol picks a grubmaster, who collets 10 dollars from each patrol member going, at the meeting before the campout, and if the food is purchased before they cancel, this has to be done through the PL and the SM, you are out the 10 bucks.

Wow, sounds like a lot of work, just to camp, I guess we have it pretty easy, but your scouts have to learning so much! And i carry a 2.5" swiss army knife, the scouts are just amazed when I whip that baby out! I am 6'4" and around 230 pounds, but they see that my little knife cuts rope just as good as there big old knife! usually it cuts it a little better, it is keep sharp. They all ask why such a little knife, I tell them if I have to carry it around, it better be light! Of course I wouldn't want to clear a jungle with it!

To many bosses not enought workers, thats the PC version of the saying. We have many of the same issues in my sons troop. which I am an ASM. We have many adults with different rules, and when they should be enforced and not. Bottom line, The ASM is there for support, everything should go through the SPL, not the SM. You need your "rules" written down and given to all leaders and scouts, so everyone is on the same page. If you are the SM, I would tell the COR what happened, the CO should remove this ASM. I understand how it is to be frustated by different rules from different leaders, BUT you where threatned, no one should be this furstated, he should be gone period.

AHHH another scouter that does not like to share information.

Main Entry: ordeal Pronunciation: or-'dE(-&)l, 'or-" Function: noun 1 : a primitive means used to determine guilt or innocence by submitting the accused to dangerous or painful tests believed to be under supernatural control 2 : a severe trial or experience AW GEE both of the meanings of ordeal just seems so Scout like dosn't it?

I used to be a fox....

Eagledad Have you read the SM Handbook? The part about uniforms? Where it talks about a scout does not have to have a uniform? And how a good leader should wear the correct uniform, to be a good example.

Yes he can. Notice I did not say it was correct. The more I learn about this scouting thing, the more I see that most leaders do not follow the BSA way. Now before you all jump on me, I am talking about the troops and packs that I see in person.

So, if I am driving to a campout, I must have 2 adults in the van?

So, is the rule of 3 no longer a rule? OR was it never a rule, and was just a myth?

A) Schedule it! Make it so! B) They decide on topics to learn at troop meeting and divide responsibilities among patrols. Suggest Troop Guides do the traiing. C) Suggest that the 2nd one is a high adventure and not a summer camp, set up a high adventure. D) Make it so, you do know who the leader to work with dont you? E) This has to go through the Committe, bring back the finical records of what else the troop would have to give up to do this, new gear, badges, pay more for campouts, etc. F) Not a thing. G) Make it so, you do know who the adult in charge of High Advetures do you not? H) I would ask how this fits the Scout law or Oath. I) Same as H.

Mike Long is back now Rooster7. Now where is NewJersyCubScouter?

Bob I could not find the post that I thought I remembered. So I will walk away from this discussion. I am petty sure you know my feelings on being active. And I am pretty sure I know what yours are. And I submit an apology for getting a little hostile, on this subject, but it is one that pushes one of my hot buttons. Walking away feeling I could not get my point across.

So it okay to sluff off if you have a good excuse! Lets all remember what excuses are like! Whats the difference between reason and excuses, how good one tells the story! and yes bob i will find your statment on patrols not going.

UM EXCUSE ME I never said To want or expect or worse demand that a boy make scouting his only activity you do a great diservice to the boy and to the program. I think scouting should be on the same level as sports, not more or less, if that takes the sport programs to change so be it. so you ask who suffers, the scouts who are trying to lead a troop with, boys(notice I did not say scouts) that only show up when it fits their schedule. So MISTER WHITE, in one of your old posts you said that if a whole or almost whole patrol could not go on a campout, the patrol should not go. You stated that you should not combine patrols to make an whole patrol. So who suffers the scouts in the patrol, the scout leaders, and the troop. BUT IT DOES NOT REALLY MATTER SINCE THE UNIT/COUNCIL CAN MAKE UP THE RULES AS THEY GO!

Yes, but if we allow scouts to skate through (which in my opinion is what most do when they are in sports) what are we teaching them about scouts. To me it is telling them that scouts can be placed on the back burner, and picked up any old time when they are ready. I would really like to know how other scouts who are at almost every event and outing feel about these scouts that only show up when it fits their schedule (I have heard some comments from a few scouts, while on campouts). Maybe scouts should be more like sports, where either you are in all the way or not at all. My vision is some what clouded in that I hold BSA on a higher level than sports. Watching sports these days for young boys, I do not see that it teaches them anything, but win at all cost and this is your life for the next X number of months. so you ask who suffers, the scouts who are trying to lead a troop with, boys(notice I did not say scouts) that only show up when it fits their schedule. But I guess it really does not matter, as dsteele said in another post, its really up to the unit/council anyway.

www.usscouts.org which has links on this page to 5 other sites like scoutmaster.org I do not like the forum, but I use the site quite a bit.

Same meetings and outings throughout the year, 3 meetings per month and 1 PLC meeting, and 1 outing. A few more hikes scheudled for the guys going on high adventure.

is this what you do on your vacation, discuss poop? BOY

dsteele Remember your memories, cause it ain't the camp it use to be. Or maybe it is! Part of it may have been that they do not like out of staters at "their" camp. Never meet such a crabby bunch of staffers before.

Bob So is you cannot carry a knife without a totin chit a myth or a rule a troop should have themselves? I almost cut a corner of a totin chit card off once, then I heard (yes heard) your voice in the background saying ONCE IS OKAY BUT 4 TIMES IS'NT? So I had a little talk with the scout instead. Hopefully I will start to hear Dsteeles voice also!(This message has been edited by dan)

The written letter, just does not feel like a good thing to me. Most of the advice was to pick out the leader you wanted and ask them, does not fit with throwing you name in the hat. I am afraid that this could cause fiction in the troop. But time will tell.