dan

I would have the scouts read page 16 in the handbook. Which says Your patrol is a team of good freinds working together to make things happen. And them explain to them that you are going to split them up, please tell us how that works for you. Also have them read the Trailhead chapter in the handbook. I would suggets that you read the SM handbook, which explains how patrols grow. It has nothing to do with adult leaders deicding who is going to be in a patrol, after the New scout patrol.

Just you wait! if you son son goes on to Boy Scouts! Not sure if you are the type that wants him to. A summer sleeping bag 40 bucks, some type of mattress 25 bucks. Next a winter bag 75 bucks, a better mattress for winter 75 bucks. Boots for camping 55 bucks, Boots for camping in winter 100 bucks. Odds and ends lights, eating stuff 35 bucks. Now high adventures start! A good backpack 135 bucks. A lightweight sleeping bag 75 bucks. Lets not forget all of the clothes he will need for camping either! See the uniform is not that expensive is it?

I know I should just let it go, but I am weak in mind, but strong like bull. evmori SO 6 feet is a deep place in a body of water. How about the rest of my statement? And yes I would ask a scout to jump in water 10 feet deep, even if it made him uncomfortable. If he wants me sign off of the requirement. I did not say I would not work with him and I would not require the water to be clear, could be done at a pool or in a lake.

Evmori It also say in depth, which most of you are ignoring. If the BSA wants to remove me for not signing off of this requirements, I still would not sign it off. If I signed off of the requirement for a scout that later panicked because he fell into water more than 1" over his head and drowned, I could not imagine how I could look at myself in the mirror after that. Could someone post what it says on page 103 of the handbook, I am at work, and do not have my handbook with me. If not I will look at it when I get home tonight.

If a scout told me he did not believe in God. My next question would be. Do you believe in a higher power? I would also explain to the scout that to be a Boy Scout he must believe in god to be a Boy Scout. I do not have the power to kick a boy out of scouts, but I would report to the council and try and get an atheist removed from the BSA. I do not believe that being an atheists makes someone gay. (This message has been edited by dan)

I have never given this one much thought. I have thought that depth means deep. At summer camps I have visited, the swimming area has been at least 10 feet deep. After thinking about this I would not sign off of the requirement if the water was only 1" over a scouts head. My reason for this is the I take depth to mean the swimmer should not be able to save himself if he cannot jump into water over his head and be able to swim after jumping in, without bounching off of the bottom. I would say a minuimn of 3 feet over the swimmers head. I would not want to sign a scout off of the requirement

What does the requirment mean when it says in depth It seems that some of you are saying 1" over the head is in depth. Or are we just going in ignore the part that say in depth?

I would suggest checking this thread out. http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=14781

At a PLC meeting it should be the SPL, ASPL, PL (if the PL cannot attend is should be the APL) Troop Guides, Troop Instructors, Quartermaster(s), Librarian, Historian, in short all scouts with PORs. If all scouts go to the PLC it kind of short circuits the Patrol Method, by not allowing the PL to lead his patrol. The PL would not have to meet with his patrol to go over the PLC if they where all there.

PLC should create the calender. You should have the PLC brings in the school calender and try to work around the school year, plus they should bring in any other calenders that are revelant. The committee should look over the calender, not to approve it, but to look for issues with time and safety. the committee than should work on removing any road blocks. Set up drivers when needed. Make sure tour permits will be ready. At least that is how I understand it, cannot say that I have seen any troops do it this way.

I would inculde the BSA mission statment and the Methods and Aims.

I do not have a problem with the BSA giving a little incentives to get more boys to join scouting, not sure why you think this is such a scandal. Giving Boy Scouts pocket knives is bad? But I will agree with you that the BSA is going to have to do something to keep the boys in the program. If they want it to grow. I do not think that it is possible though. I think the BSA program is great, but very few units follow the program. If the BSA came down and said you will follow the program or you will not be re charted. Units would drop like flys, we leaders want to run the program our way a

I guess it is good that someone did not see all of the lawyer jokes from about 6 months ago, they where much worse than these. When you say not all lawyers, what do you think about 1 percent?(This message has been edited by dan)

I see nothing wrong with the question. It is a simple question with a yes or no answer. A star scout should be able to explain how he is reverent without going to church. rdn51 Who is the Charted Organization for this unit?

Just returned from Philmont. We had 2 burros on trek 28. The scouts learned alot about these animals the 2 days that they used them. Never had a problem with them not wanting to move. They are very strong willed animals. That need strong willed handlers. I have heard all of the horror stories about these animals so I was a bit worried, the biggest issue was having to walk another 1/2 to 1 mile to put them in their pens and about one hour to get them loaded up in the morning. We picked the burros at 8 in the morning. Our sister crew picked their burror up at 6:30 in the morning, they did there

I thought that the Eagle advancment was not offical until national has approved it. Would the date be the date of the BOR or the date that national has approved the Eagle advancment?

Did your son, attend JLTC or the new course NYLT? Either course should help your son. One thing that I did when running the course was to make sure that all of the participants new that this week long course was really a condensed version of A Month in the life of a Troop. With ideas for Troop meetings, how to run PLC meetings, etc. Did your son bring a book home after the meeting? I sure hope so! If he did maybe you could get it out and look at, and start asking him questions about different things in the book, maybe it will jog his memory.

fb Not forgotten or forgiven. And now you say it was a misdeed. Give me a break all you did before was defend it and never said you make a mistake. Scouters like you is what is wrong with scouting and whats needs fixin.

FScouter Within the Scoutmaster Handbook, it is written to become a scout a uniform is not required. As I have written in this forum many times and have never been disagreed with. The reason the BSA wrote it this way, was so that troops with financially trapped members, could still be scouts. It is to bad that MOST units take this to mean that the uniform is optional or changeable.

I would put a rule in that no Eagle Board will allow a Scout that does not believe in God to become an eagle.

BUT What about his right of FREE SPEECH!

My guess is that Jason has returned.

But Fscouter it is the easy way! Lynda J No watches? or does your PLC require the scouts to only have wind up watches? I know that most likely watches are not on the PLCs banned list, but if a scout wears a watch, he is breaking the PLC rule, which is the problem with making rules like this. There are exceptions to almost every rule. A better way Ask the scout Did you hear the rain hitting the lakes up on the Boundary Waters... sounded like little bells. Ask the scout Did you hear that bear that rummaged through our campsite. Ask the scout Do you hear the sounds of t

CNYScouter Does your son enjoy scouts? The troop my son is in is allot like the one you are involved in. Except for the ASM that wants to do away with patrols? My sons who is 15 loves scouts, I have not told him everything, yet, where the troop is not following the program completely, I have just told him a few things, I do not want him to become a problem in the troops eyes. When I took woodbadge everyone was in complete uniform except for one ASM from my sons troop, but I have attended a few scout outing with my fellow foxes, and have ran into many other participants from the same c

The only thing I see that needs to be "fixed" is to find out why this scout is not attending summer camp. No one has to swim at summer camp, if they do not want to. Does your troop do a lot of swimming during the summer, which is why he does not camp in the summer? Has he gone on any High Adventures? Have you told him he does not need to swim at summer camp?