dan

This was a question from joeleeper (I know Airway, Breathing, Circulation, ? what is D for?) I answered it. You threw a whole bunch of letters around, that one or two people use for training, that has nothing to do with the question, how will this help the scout pass the BOR? But yet you say you answered the question? Where? You still say D is undefined! The only post where you say D means something you said it means during, that helps alot!

ABCD depends on where you get your training at. Canada? Airway Breathing Circulation Disability--This is a quick assessment of the neurological status. Use the "AVPU system" in the primary survey: A=alert, V=responds to voice, P=responds to pain, U=unresponsive. Red Cross Airway Breathing Circulation Defibrillation ??? Circulation I thought was grouped in with Deadly Bleeding Airway Breathing Circulation Deadly Bleeding From Scouting.org Airway Breathing Circulation Don't Delay I am not sure where anarchist is coming up with his letters from?

I could not get on this site Saturday, I keep getting a screen that said Your request is being processed... Estimated Delay : 2 Sec sat on that screen for 10 minutes a couple of times and gave up.

It looks like I have been using the old requirment. As far as I can tell it changed last year. I guess the thread have helped me even with all of the banner.

I do not count time camping before the Blue Card was obtained. I have informed scouts that if they want the time at summer camp to count toward the MB, to take the tent down and repitch it. (I believe that Korea Scouter gave me that idea, thanks) My sons troop sometimes goes to a summer camp that have cabins, so to speak, made from wood, four bunks in them, I do not allow the scouts to use those nights toward the requirement. I have had some scouts take a tent and sleep in that for the week, so it would count toward the MB.

nldscout Can anyone show me in writing where a troop can set a minimum attendance policy? Stalemate? I think a hard and fast attendance policy is not a good idea. A scoutmaster should be talking to a scout if he is not at every meeting or outing without a good reason. If you have a 16 year old life scout that makes 40% of the meetings because of school work and none of the outings because of work, he is saving for college, anyone with a 30% 40% or 50% attendance policy should not advance this scout, even though, he is preparing for his future. A good SM conference can set an attendance policy that the scout can do and still be an outstanding member of the troop. nldscouter you wrote If you cannot commit to the troop without a valid reason. Sounds like you and I are saying the same thing, communcating with the scouts and not using a fixed attendance policy seems like the best way to go. I also look at any requiments that are imposed by a troop and think would the BSA agree with me if the scout went to the BSA and contested the rank advancment. anarchist do you have something against bobwhites?

Yep, it is easy to lie (or maybe just bend the truth a little), that way you do not have to create troop rules! Or hold them back for not wearing a uniform which means they do not need have scout spirit!

A unit will be covered by BSA insurance if they are not wearing a uniform. I have heard the same myth. And it is only a myth.(This message has been edited by dan)

My son received an Eagle packet when he obtained life rank, is this the stuff this scout is asking for? Is the Eagle packet something from the BSA or what?

Hunt There is one more you forgot! 11. Someone will suggest that you check out what minter.net suggests for uniform options, and say it is almost a official BSA site.

NWScouter I apologize, you where correct my memory is not as good as I thought it was. Now I need to look to see where I saw a suggested rank for SPL.

Your kidding right? So when anybody post anything about the BSA lets post where all readers can find it, Page number, chapter, and line. The actually book is not enough. I will look it up when I get home tonight. Are some of you posters saying that if the troop adult leadership decides that the troop is large enough to have 2 ASPL they should do nothing because the scouts did not think of it or know about it? Just because the SM decides that 2 ASPL are needed does not mean the troop is not boy run. If the adult leadership decides that a Scout must have completed NYLT and be a Star scout to run for SPL, you are saying that the troop is not boy run? Even though it is in accordance with the BSA program? The SM should be picking out the future leaders of the troop to go to NYLT, so it would seem that he should add this requirement. In life we all have rules to follow, rules that we do not agree with or have even voted on, how is this any different than the adult leadership putting rules in place like the above? As long as they are in accordance with the BSA program. Are we not suppose to be preparing the youth for adult life?

Lynda J I would suggest you read the SM handbook and what it says about the SPL. It does say that a min. rank for the SPL, but it can be waived for young troops.

If I was sitting on this Eagle BOR, I would turn him down. But I would make sure he had all of information, in writing on how to file an appeal. The reason I say this is that he has found someone to sign off that he has done the requirments, and not really go over the MB with him.

From www.snopes.com Taps was composed in July 1862 at Harrison's Landing in Virginia, but after that the fanciful e-mail quoted above parts way with reality. There was no dead son, Confederate or otherwise; no lone bugler sounding out the dead boy's last composition. How the call came into being was never anything more than one influential soldier deciding his unit could use a bugle call for particular occasions and setting about to come up with one. If anyone can be said to have composed 'Taps,' it was Brig. Gen. Daniel Butterfield, Commander of the 3rd Brigade, 1st Division, V Army Corps, Army of the Potomac, during the American Civil War. Dissatisfied with the customary firing of three rifle volleys at the conclusion of burials during battle and also needing a method of ceremonially imparting meaning to the end of a soldier's day, he likely altered an older piece known as "Tattoo," a French bugle call used to signal "lights out," into the call we now know as 'Taps.' (Alternatively, he wrote the whole thing from scratch, a possibility not at all supported by his lack of musical background and ability.) Whether he wrote it straight from the cuff or improvised something new by rearranging an older work, Butterfield brought 'Taps' into being. With the help of his bugler, Oliver W. Norton of Chicago, the concept was transformed into its present form. "Taps" was quickly taken up by both sides of the conflict, and within months was being sounded by buglers in both Union and Confederate forces. Then as now, 'Taps' serves as a vital component in ceremonies honoring military dead. It is also understood by American servicemen as an end-of-day 'lights out' signal. When "Taps" is played at a military funeral, it is customary to salute if in uniform, or place your hand over your heart if not.

Cubmaster Jerry wrote in one of his post. The UC can only advise the committee on how to fix their issues. I took this to mean that the Unit Commissioner does not interact with the Charted Organization Rep only the troop committee. Is this true? There was a huge discussion about what a Unit Commissioner is suppose to do and what they actually do a while back I really do not want to dig that thread back, it gave me a headache the first time! Thinking about some of the issues that have been raised in this thread, my thought was should the Unit Commissioner be spending more time with the COR to make sure she/he is supporting the scouting program with the youth program they are running?

Isn't part of the purpose to teach them how to survive without cell phones, computers, electricity and the like? No. The purposes of the Boy Scouts of America are Citizenship training, Character development, Personal fitness. There use to to be a course in Junior Leader Ship Conference, that was called Utilizing your Resources. Sounds like the scout used his resources to get help in the best and quickest way.

grrrrrrr delete message delete message again delete message again Sigh I will say a prayer for all involved.

I guess I missed the valid points for the against rules?!?!?

Scouts teaching merit badges?!?! another one to add to the list.

wonder why people are doing this! Because they can. Because they know better than the BSA. Because that is the way it was done when they where a scout. Because being a boy scout is important and they are going to learn this stuff by god. Mr Goodwin My bet would be that you will not be able to change this troop. I bet they know how the BSA suggest it should be done, but they have improved on the process. But as most poster here say, most of this stuff is just suggestion from the BSA. Now why would anyone here be surprised about anything any troop does? I have been on here long enough to read all of things that troop do to improve the BSA program like: Mandatory attendance. SM selecting the troop leadership. Not using New Scout patrols. SM selecting patrol members and rearranging patrols. Troops elects every leadership position. Using push-ups to motivate scouts. Snipe hunting. Adding requirements. Not utilizing Venture Patrols. SM taking or talking scouts out of merit badges that have been signed off by the merit badge counselor. Going paint balling or lazer tagging. And please do not say training, it apparently does not work. Smoking in front of scouts. Using cleaning the KYBO to motivate scouts. OGE Your accredited scout troop is a good idea, but it will never work, all of this stuff is in writing now, why will writing it in one more spot make a difference?

johndaigler well I DO NOT appreciate your attempt at whatever you where trying to say. I was not defending anyone. I thought that maybe if I give some postives to her posts, maybe she would not run away like most new posters do. I guess I was correct about a certain moderator piling it on.

Ok I will play 1. No summer camp since the insurance cant be paid and the facilities cant be maintained. With all the negatives I read on here about how bad day camps are what is the big deal. 2. No updates to books and literature. (Use your old books from here on out. New boys can share) Seems that most poster here like the old old books better anyway, get the ones from 1950 out! 3. No council office because the rent cant be paid and the staff wont work for free. Most poster seems to think that all council suck anyway! 4. No new training materials (cant be bought at any price since they cant be printed and distributed) It is not like the trainers are really using the BSA training material anyway, they train the way they think the BSA should be not the way it is. (See posts from one of our outstanding senior members) 5. No awards or patches (units can find a private company to make up what they want, minimum order 50) The old patches where better anyway. 6. No uniforms available unless you can somehow work out an arrangement with the manufacturer. Look how may units do not wear the uniform, or most of the posters on here that ony complain because the uniform either is made cheap or does not fit overweight people very well! 7.No DE to advise and help volunteers (maybe you never see him anyway) Whats a DE? 8. No Boys Life magazine (how can it be published it if there is no national office?) Gee, I think someone close to these forums would be happy to replace this magazine! 9. No Scout Shop (these shops dont run themselves) Have you not been reading these forums! All the stuff is either overpriced or junk according to most posters here! 10. No Scouter magazine (no longer needed since leaders are on their own now) Gee, I think someone close to these forums would be happy to replace the this magazine! 11. No one to answer the telephone at the council office (the office is shut down) The people that answer the phone are under paid and crabby anyway. 12. No BSA or council web sites (no money to pay for it) This internet thing will never take off anyway! According to most posters here there is no place for technonlgy or electionics is scouts! 13. No more Eagle rank (whos going to validate the application?) Its all water down anyway! Back when I was a scouter it actually meant something! At least that is what I read here. 14. No more popcorn sales (units will figure out their own thing) Most are not selling popcorn anyway! I think about 15 percent of the Boy Scouts in this council sells popcorns. I am sure your council is not much different. Listen up lurkers and posters, the BSA is being attacked every day on this Website, Saying it is stupid. The program that many senior posters here runs is better than the BSA program, either stand up and tell these nay sayer to go away, or be prepared to watch the BSA be changed by people like Backpacker, Evmori, jkhny, Praire Scouter, Trevorum, Miki101, hunt, johndaigler and etc. (This message has been edited by dan)

This outa be good.

Welcome AHG Mom I would suggest that unless you like to debate, usually over nothing. Or that you like things taken out of context and your words twisted around. You may want to stay out of the Issue and Politics forum. Not that your posting will not be twisted around in all of the other forums this one is the worst. You will even find some of the moderators like to pile it on also.