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  1. Zebra132

    Qualities of an Eagle

    Well said, @MattR. I understand rules. I interpret them for a living with those that are mainly in their "extended adolescence" known as college. I have to muck around in the gray a lot. Did you violate the alcohol policy by having one beer on campus? Yep! Is it worse if you had thee 18-packs plus four bottles of liquor? Yep! The second scenario gets a more stern penalty. My hope is that this young man in question does do right by his child and the mother. Hopefully, his final SM conference included some good parenting advice...and perhaps the Family Life Merit Badge needs to add a requirement to change at least one dirty diaper for the experience!
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    I'm interested in how all of you think of 18-20-year-olds. We now have to register them as adults and refer to them as "adult participants" in Venturing and Sea Scouting. I found these definitions in the BSA Rules and Regulations definitions: Adult. Unless otherwise stated, the word “adult” refers to a person 18 years of age or older. Scouter. A Scouter is an adult who registers with the Boy Scouts of America at the local, area, region, or national level; fulfills the obligations of his or her position; obligates himself or herself to subscribe to the Scout Oath; and agrees to abide by the Rules and Regulations, policies, and other guidelines of the Boy Scouts of America. Leader. A leader is an adult Scouter registered in a position of leadership or responsibility at the council, district, or unit level. Member. Unless otherwise stated, a “member” is a youth member and, in context, an adult program participant. Youth. “Youth” generally means a youth member or adult program participant registered in a program. Youth Leader. A youth leader is a youth member or adult program participant occupying a position of responsibility for leadership development purposes as a youth as opposed to as an adult leader. Adult Program Participant. An adult program participant is any person 18 years of age or older who registers to participate in a program in which youth members are also eligible to participate; obligates himself or herself to regularly attend the meetings; fulfills a member’s obligation to the unit; subscribes to the Scout Oath; and participates in an appropriate program based on the current guidelines of the Boy Scouts of America. Adult program participants are subject to the same guidelines as adult Scouters when required by policies and guidelines Then when you get to the YPT page at scouting.org, you see: Adult Supervision (Effective October 1, 2018) Two registered adult leaders 21 years of age or over are required at all Scouting activities, including meetings. There must be a registered female adult leader over 21 in every unit serving females. A registered female adult leader over 21 must be present for any activity involving female youth. Notwithstanding the minimum leader requirements, age- and program-appropriate supervision must always be provided. All adults accompanying a Scouting unit who are present at the activity for 72 total hours or more must be registered as leaders. The 72 hours need not be consecutive. One-on-one contact between adult leaders and youth members is prohibited both inside and outside of Scouting. In situations requiring a personal conference, the meeting is to be conducted with the knowledge and in view of other adults and/or youth. Private online communications (texting, phone calls, chat, IM, etc.) must include another registered leader or parent. Communication by way of social media (Facebook, Snapchat, etc.) must include another registered leader or parent. So what are "adult participants?" Are they whatever National needs them to be at the time? As a youth leader, is an adult participant held to the no one-on-one contact rule as it specifically says adult leaders? Are they prevented from hanging out with long-time friends at the stroke of midnight when they turn 18? I'm interested in your comments. I've had adult friends that have walked away from Scouting because of the no one-on-one contact outside of Scouting. I think we're getting into a little over-reach with some of the new rules. Is a teacher that is an adult leader (and is that different than being just a Scouter?) going to have the BSA police monitoring their classroom during tutoring sessions? Can a single parent that is an adult leader let a register Scout come for a sleep over with their child knowing there could be times when the parent could be alone with the guest. This is WAY overkill in my opinion.
  3. If your Crew officers are over and under 18 and are communicating privately about an outing or event, all will be well. But when the communication becomes personal or goes off track, those over 18 will be held to the adult standard of no one-on-one communication. I'm still trying to figure out how Crews and Ships are supposed to develop friendships among themselves when an 18-20-year-old can be defined so many ways in the definitions used by the BSA in their official document but use the term "adult leader" in YPT. It is no longer worth the hassle if a youth has to choose between their friends and Scouting.
  4. Zebra132

    Qualities of an Eagle

    Better A, and if not then B! These two incidents just struck me as odd. By explanation, that they were treated so differently in the same Council. Don’t we have something about morally straight in the Oath? I guess if we are going to be accepting of everyone, then anything goes now.
  5. Am I just getting old and grumpy or does anyone else have a problem with a young man earning Eagle Scout that has a pregnant girlfriend? Would that mean when the young women hit the troops, it would be okay for a female Eagle candidate to be pregnant at her BOR? And this is not a case of “oops, we just found out!” This is pasted all over his Facebook page. I’ve seen an SM refuse to sign off on a young man because he was caught in a car where marijuana was found and he wasn’t even smoking it and the charges were dropped. It seems our values come and go at a whim. Thoughts?
  6. I realize this discussion so far has been about troops, but this is a big concern for Crews and Ships where the age range is 14-20. Then you get into no one-on-one communication between an adult and youth in OR out of Scouting!
  7. Zebra132

    Membership Removal Procedures Booklet

    @NJCubScouter, this entire incident is getting blown out of proportion! The Council board members have been told not to talk to the Scout or the parent and has removed the parent from all the Council managed Facebook pages. Scout and parent are quietly working on his appeal.
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    Membership Removal Procedures Booklet

    @RememberSchiff: Still looking for the attorney that will take the case. I appreciate the 2 cents!
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    Membership Removal Procedures Booklet

    Attornies have said the BSA, as a private organization, can do as they damn well please!
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    Membership Removal Procedures Booklet

    We have no field director or DE. The SE has quoted law to me and policy to me that is inaccurate. I know bc he’s now in my “day job” territory. Tooth and nail doesn’t begin to describe the coming actions.
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    Membership Removal Procedures Booklet

    It is being recommended he be black listed and he can appeal. That is in the works. This is like throwing darts in the dark when you don’t know the process.
  12. Zebra132

    Membership Removal Procedures Booklet

    I have a hound in the hunt, and all those peeps are supporting the Scout.
  13. Zebra132

    Membership Removal Procedures Booklet

    This is actually a situation where a youth is being removed and there was no investigation. Trust me when I say I know there was no investigation. Thanks for the input! But I’m not trying to remove anyone!
  14. Zebra132

    Membership Removal Procedures Booklet

    This is apparently a document available now only to Scout Executives! And ours isn’t going to help anyone with anything.
  15. Does anyone have a link to "Procedures for Maintaining Standards of Membership and Leadership" which is supposed to outline all the appropriate steps to remove someone's membership? I found a copy today and it's on my computer at work, but it seems to be a restricted item! Shouldn't we all have access to the documents that govern our organization?