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    Terminology

    When speaking to prospective female scouts and their families, I deliberately use the term "Boy Scouts of America", for example "a new Boy Scouts of America troop for girls" or "an all-girls Boy Scouts of America" troop. Why? Because the general public is familiar with the term "Boy Scouts" and does not know the term "Scouts BSA". I am careful though with terminology, and try to use "Boy Scouts of America" instead of "Boy Scouts" since the organization is still "Boy Scouts of America" even though the program name is now "Scouts BSA"
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    Scouts BSA implementation for girl troops

    To be clear, I am not talking about favoritism, I am talking about specialization in roles. (And even with a non-linked troop, how many roles a committee member takes on may vary with the size of the committee.)
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    Scouts BSA implementation for girl troops

    One new issue, caused by the presence of girls, is the linked troop structure. While I am very pleased to hear about @Cburkhardt's success with a non linked troop, for those of us with small girls' troops in not-quite-so-densely populated areas, and with scouters (parents of the girls) who don't have the years of experience working with BSA scout troops, the mentoring that is available from the linked boys' troops is invaluable. But that raises lots of new questions about best practises: Just how to structure the linkage? Do we do any activities jointly or all separately? Which ones? Do individual adults on the committee focus on one troop or the other, or on both? Etc. Etc. Hearing about other troops experiences (good and bad) would be helpful.
  4. What is the difference between "demonstrate" and "show" in the S-T-1-2 rank requirements? Is there one? And can anyone point me to any official BSA resources stating the difference (or the lack of difference) between the two?
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    "Demonstrate" versus "Show"

    Thanks for the explanations so far. They are helpful. Now for the second half of my question: do any of you also have an official BSA source to point to for the differences? That I could show to an adult who is not seeing eye-to-eye with other adults as to what exactly some of the requirements require?
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    Just got 1 girl

    Hi @Eagledad, I just don't understand what you mean. Can you restate in different words? By "the patrol environment is very important to growth" I mean that learning to work with others in a patrol environment is important to the growth of the individual scouts.
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    Just got 1 girl

    I think that the patrol environment is very important to growth (based on my experience eons ago with patrols in a girl scout / girl guide context). Why do you think that patrols will be neglected now that girls have joined BSA? But I could see a girls' patrol having a rather different style of operation than a boys' patrol, just as any two patrols could come to have their own style or culture.
  8. I am really really liking the linked troop model. Maybe because we are linked to a really great boys troop. Separate (so far) meetings and all outings to date. Joint (so far) opening flag ceremonies. Upcoming planned joint activities: the annual Court-of-Honor and family potluck, the annual family camp-out (siblings invited), ILST. Merit badge groups will likely be open to scouts from both troops. The girls (and boys) have their own space. They can do things with their own style. (What do my newbie scouts plan and cook on their first campout? Gourmet meals -- but the conclusion afterwards was that they were really inefficient and could do better next time.)
  9. I am feeling that the amount of intervention is a tricky judgment call in this case. On our recent campout, there was a point at which, if I had been out with a bunch of junior girl scouts (grade 4) I would have told them "look at the kaper chart". But I held off. Eventually I did call the patrol leader out of the happily sociallizing crowd of girls and whisper in her ear that she might think about having her scouts take a look at the duty roster. The girls had a great time. But they did end up concluding that they would like to be more efficient next time.
  10. Hi Barry, You aren't talking about my scouts, are you? No trouble with lack of focus. They just prioritized getting out of doors over picking a patrol name. The PLC meeting has even scheduled in the date on which the patrol name will be picked.
  11. This is why I am glad that the girls and boys are in separate troops. I hope we don't get there. I doubt that the girls were instant experts. In my troop (which definitely would not be winning any camporee contests yet) we had girls come in that already had some scouts skills. (One-match fire building? Yup, one girl could do that. Quite familiar with lashing? Yup, one girl could do that. Done a lot of backpacking? Yup, one girl had. Different girls for each skill.)
  12. I agree. But, I have an ASM that I need to convince of this. Do you have any good recommended reading on the subject? I would like to see, for the scouts, high opportunity and low pressure when it come to rank advancement. That is, lots of opportunity to use (and to learn by using) scout skills. Low pressure as to how quickly to get them signed off. I definitely want to avoid the "once and done" mentality.
  13. I imagine that typically a group of new scouts has been a bunch of fifth-graders, not a bunch of teenagers. Being half again as old (as the 16-year-old in that troop is) makes a difference. I have been impressed by the enthusiasm of the girls that have joined our troop. They did not just drift into this because someone signed them up for cubs (or for brownies) years ago and they've drifted along with their friends. They really want to be there. We have around a dozen girls drawing from four towns, three school districts --- it is a very self-selected group. And yes, I've got a couple of scouts who have been spending a lot of time teaching themselves scout skills at home (knots, lashing, etc) so that they can teach the others. And the Scout Rank may be taking longer for the girls than for the boys. When these new scouts go camping, the not-yet-scout-rank girls are in charge of planning, shopping for, and cooking the meals. (Why? because they need to eat, and there ain't nobody with higher rank to plan it for them.) That takes away time that they could be using on, say, picking a name for their as-yet-nameless patrol. (As I have told them, nobody can earn scout rank until they have a patrol name.)
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    BOR Chair learns something from Tenderfoot

    Culture shock time. One of my new scouts was asking about the scout handshake -- working on scout rank. So I raised my right hand in the scout sign and stuck out my left hand for a handshake --- and my ASM (also new to BSA) said "but that's not what's in the scout handbook". Having grown up in a different scouting organization, and having done its scout handshake hundreds of times, this took me by surprise. So I went looking back through the various old handbooks and facsimiles of handbooks and found: In Scouting for Boys by Baden-Powell, p42 I could find nothing about the scout handshake in the American 1911 Boy Scout Handbook -- but maybe I just overlooked it. But Scouting for Girls, 3rd abridged edition 1929, says, p44 So @John-in-KC and others, did Boy Scouts (BSA) ever combine the right-handed half-salute (ie. scout sign) with the left-handed hand-shake? Do they ever still do so?
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    Youth Protection Clarification Question

    To say that three scouts (girls) with a 28 month age spread from oldest to youngest may share a four-person mini-cabin, but may not share a four-person tent also makes to logical sense.
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    2018 Membership numbers are in

    Your descriptions describe some of the GSUSA problems also. Not just currently, but running a generation back also. Actually, an old friend from my high school girl scout troop, whose daughter did venturing, told me that, in contrast to the Boy Scout program, "Venturing . . . culture-wise, feels much more like scouting as we knew it in [Town Name]"
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    How to describe ourselves in writing

    As @qwazse suggested, I'd definitely try to get in the full organization name "Boy Scouts of America" since the general public recognizes "Boy Scouts" but does not yet recognize "Scouts BSA", and since the program name changed from "Boy Scouts" to "Scouts BSA".
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    How to describe ourselves in writing

    See this infographic: https://scoutingwire.org/this-infographic-shows-the-right-way-to-refer-to-girls-who-will-join-scouts-bsa/ A couple of the main points are never put the word "girl" directly in front of the word "scout" and make sure that people cannot confuse your girls BSA troop with a GSUSA troop. Also, for our town's recruiting night, we were careful about the wording so as not to imply that we are the only scouting organization in town. (Since GSUSA is still around.) As far as I know, there is no problem with continuing to put the word "boy" directly in front of the word "Scout" or "scout" -- though some people might be nit-picky about capitalization. We are using just our 2-digit troop number for the girls' troop (which differs from the number of the boys troop). We are not sticking a G on the end. We are also ignoring as much as possible the annoying digit in the thousands place that our council is assigning to all girls troops in our council. (Have not yet gotten the beascout alternate unit description working, council says that national is working on that.)
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    Most and Least Popular Merit Badges

    I am about to take my new scouts on their first cabin overnight. In order to have a campfire, they are going to have to shovel out about a foot of snow that is covering the fire circle.
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    Most and Least Popular Merit Badges

    @mrkstvns, he was referring to the fires of 2018.
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    Privacy of Health Forms

    I've been to a GSUSA event where the adults were required to bring their medical forms, but in a sealed envelope. The envelope was handed over to the event organizers and then handed back at the end of the weekend. The organizers were trusting us that we actually had a medical form in that envelope -- which was only to be open if the need arose. (Most of the attendees were GSUSA troop leaders who were quite familiar with the GSUSA medical forms.)
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    CBS Saturday Morning

    Tactfully put. But when options of all kinds are open to a GSUSA troop, and the majority decision rules, if the majority decision does not want to do archery (or some other outdoor activity) then that activity will not happen for that troop. And, importantly, the majority of the troop will be quite happy about that. One thing I have seen with the BSA program is that it is attracting the girls who want to camp, and helping them find each other. (And the girls who don't want to camp can look at the rank advancement requirements and decide that other youth-program options more suited to them.) I really think that there is space for both the GSUSA and the BSA programs to exist side by side, with similar goals of developing character, citizenship, and leadership in youth, but appealing to and thus serving different groups of girls.
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    CBS Saturday Morning

    For GSUSA whether shooting sports are allowed varies by council The Girl Scouts of Central and Western Massachusetts permits it: http://www.gscwm.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gscwm/documents/2018/Volunteer Essentials 2018-2019.pdf The Girl Scouts of Eastern Massachusetts does not permit it: https://www.gsema.org/content/dam/girlscouts-girlscoutseasternmass/documents/volunteer-essentials.pdf
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    Help. Little advancement.

    How densly populated is your area? Are some of these other boy troops reasonably close by, even if in another town? If so, the opportunity for boys in your town to participate in scouting does not go away, even if the troop chartered in your town folds. So you do not need to feel you are letting scouting for boys down if you focus on the cub pack and/or girl troop and encourage the boys to join stronger existing troops. Actually, cooperation with those troops might help you with the girls troop. For us, even though our girls troop is linked with one of the local boys troops, the other local boys troops (to which we are not linked) are referring girls our direction, offering to loan us equipment if needed, and willing to give advice if asked.
  25. There is still snow on the ground here, and for our first overnight outing with new scouts we will be going to a local boy scout camp and staying in small cabins there. Cooking will be done outdoors over campfires. The scouts will plan and cook their meals. However, since they will not be sleeping in tents that they pitched themselves, this is not actually a campout. Since this is not a campout, then the meal planning and preparation and cleanup do not count for rank advancement. Is this interpretation correct?
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