Jameson76

So if you are a troop and you are manning a station or activity at a camporee and you only have male leaders, and a girl patrol saunters up to participate you are saying the troop should have a female leader at the station??

We have 2 slots for June 2020 For High Adventure 2019 we have 2 crews to Seabase in May and 1 crew in June (18 Scouts and 6 leaders) 1 crew to Philmont in June (6 Scouts and 3 leaders) Also our regular week long camp in June and another in July A busy summer

That's a straw man argument for sure. Yes there are Scouts running around the woods, but seriously? We have an average of 30 - 35 + Scouts on 13 outings annually. Honestly we can go through many weekends with the worst thing maybe being a band-aid. We have maybe 1 time per year that requires an after camp out medical visit. Very rare. If the troop has a work around for that, the issues will become how food is prepared, security concerns, or some other "issue" that requires the parents to be there. The play seems to have many many acts

Well - that paints a different light on the issue. From your input we seem to have a youth that is in fact not learning from mistakes and may have some issues. Agree that he may in fact not be an Eagle candidate. Tough tough call and not a pleasant road to travel down.

We had a scout arrested on a Friday right before an outing for trespassing into a closed factory. Obviously he missed that outing, what with being in jail and all. Scout was a Life Scout, this was his first offense, the legal system worked the issue. He had been and continued to be an active scout. The Scout did seem to gain lessons from the arrest. During the Eagle SM conference the issue was discussed, what he had learned from the arrest, what he would have changed and what he needed to take forward from the incident. IMHO - Key is you as the SM may need to have the conversation with the Scout. Is he upset he got caught or he does he realize that the path he may have (is) on from a long term perspective is bad. Kids make bad decisions. Do they grow and learn is the take away from this. If he is just giving lip service to change and growth, your options may be clear. If he has matured and realized that he needs to shape up, move forward, and effect change; that is sort of what we are going for in Scouting. Maybe don't let one issue define him.

True....but we are able to paint our houses other than varying shades of brown 😏 Also with southern weather we have sometimes done summer stuff and unplanned winter activities on the same day. With the scouts wearing summer gear for the winter stuff, makes for a fun weekend

7. identify best type of tree to use for hammock straps. BONUS QUESTION - If two trees are not close enough, theorize how long it will take to plant and grow a tree to be able to use for second point of hammocking

With these options - b. On any of these camping experiences, you must do TWO of the following, only with proper preparation and under qualified supervision: Hike up a mountain where, at some point, you are at least 1,000 feet higher in elevation from where you started. Backpack, snowshoe, or cross-country ski for at least 4 miles. Take a bike trip of at least 15 miles or at least four hours. Take a nonmotorized trip on the water of at least four hours or 5 miles. Plan and carry out an overnight snow camping experience. Rappel down a rappel route of 30 feet or more. Seems like there are multiple opportunities to accomplish this requirement. As we are in the deep south never had a scout do number 5, honestly we would be clueless. Now #1 is easy, #2 we do regularly, #3 we do annually, #4 we go to the swamp every other year, and as was noted many accomplish #6 at summer camp.

Yeah...pretty much is the case and that's OK. These families need to understand what the Scouting program is, but more importantly what it is not.

We had the Webelos visiting a meeting one time and our SPL asked if there were any adult announcements. The Webelos broke into the "Announcement Song"..the Scouts put a stop to that really quick and explained that was not how we rolled The Webelos were really good with that

So to be all technical. A 12 day trek runs sort of like this You arrive at Phillmont on DAY 1 (check-in, ranger assignment, shakedown, initial food, gear, opening campfire) You head for the Trail DAY 2 On Trail Days 2 - 12 Arrive back in Base Camp on Day 12 (check back in, turn in gear, shower, buy swag at Tooth of Time traders, shower again, by more stuff at TOT, closing campfire) Depart from Philmont on Day 13 10 nights on the trail and 2 nights in Base camp

Not to derail a thread, but isn't that sort of the reasoning (groups gone rogue) given as one of the reasons for the change to allow girls into the Cubs and Boy Scouts? Also the move toward family scouting emphasis "so many were doing it anyway, may as well make it official". That seems to be the way to effect change now, just go do it and likely rather than make waves it will be codified

Actually your comment is sadly likely well on point. The local council needs it's cut (Be that BSA or GSUSA)

Interesting We will tell you when and where you can collect funds citizen...and we will take our percentage off the top, and why aren't you selling cookies with all this spare time??

To be clear...it does snow at Woodruff, you just have to be there on the right weekend

For us Frozen Tundra is merely a Toyota not parked in the garage with some frost on it, once the sun hits, it's all good

We are in the south...so we go further south. This year to the beach and camping along the intercoastal in January. Also some backpacking in February and wide games in March. Of course it rarely gets below freezing for the whole day around here, maybe into the 20's at night but warmer during the day

Many of us crossed that bridge a while back.....helps while unpacking gear back at the house on Sundays

Possibly Bourbon may be a good example If it is produced in the USA, made from a grain mixture that is at least 51% corn, aged in new, charred oak containers, distilled to no more than 160 (U.S.) proof (80% alcohol by volume), entered into the barrel for aging at no more than 125 proof (62.5% alcohol by volume), bottled (like other whiskeys) at 80 proof or more (40% alcohol by volume) it can be called Bourbon. Do the same thing in Canada, guess it is called whiskey. It's all in the name though the product is or could be identical Also as this suit may drag on, the use of bourbon (or whiskey) may help many of us endure.

Admin question: what if a Scout who is 16 to 17, realized that they could not get Eagle due to the calendar and they did not recharter, but then rejoined Scouts after 2/2019. Would they be able to get the extension? Also any work they had done would be recognized? Very small population for this possibility and the machinations to get done could be problematic. Wonder how districts and councils may react to the possible gaming of the system?

All members of the EBOR should have been volunteers, or functioning in a volunteer capacity. Typically at least one is not with the unit You can look up the particulars by looking at the Guide to Advancement (PDF - Google BSA Guide to Advancement) Section 8.0.3.0 references Particulars for Eagle Scout Rank Section 8.0.4.0 Appealing the Decision

Quick question - For the EBOR typically this is made up of members from the troop and members from the District / Council. Curious who felt their own definition of "leadership" has not been met? The EBOR while not a review can look at and could bring up any factual errors that may have been missed prior (number of merit badges, dates in rank, age at time of completion). That is unlikely as the dates are reviewed by the council against the BSA system records prior to the EBOR Additionally the Eagle candidate had the project reviewed by the unit (SM and CC both signed off on proposal) and then the project was approved by the District or Council (depending on size). Any concerns with the leadership portion would have been brought up at that point. I would engage with the District Commissioner and the Council Commissioner for the appeal process and politely request that the Scouter (Scouters??) who questioned the leadership portion not be on the next EBOR.

First - lots of adult drama seems to be in play, but let's power through that Scouts are the best recruits for Scouts. The best way to get boys who are not involved is PROGRAM. Not advancement, not meetings, not citizenship, etc etc, it's PROGRAM. Get your 3 active scouts to clearly set a calendar of OUTDOOR PROGRAMMING. That is the selling point for other boys to engage, what will THEY be doing, what is in it for them. Go Do Stuff. Get the dates set and get a plan to go do things. Not sure where you are but that is what will get the boys to show up. Canoeing, kayaking. hiking, wide games, biking, etc etc. PROGRAM brings in Scouts. The other key items like advancement, citizenship, and leadership can be built once you get them engaged

BRO SCOUTS OF AMERICA..."it's all good"

A common misconception and good resolution. Had a scout talk with me recently that he wanted to complete cooking but he had missed the troop backpacking outing. Reminded him that the requirements did not specify the cooking had to be done with the troop, could be a patrol outing or he and some friends could be backpacking. Cooking is a life skill, going to be needing it 2 to 3 times a day for a long long time, in and out of Scouts.