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No worry.  The Eagle workbook says you must use form 512-927.   This form is 2021a.

@InquisitiveScoutergiven your process I'm surprised anyone would apply to be a MBC and if it takes 16 weeks you will have zero counselors before the 1 May date.

@InquisitiveScouter 10-16 weeks?   What council are you in?   That's ridiculous.

Remember although the MB is required if a scout wants to earn Eagle, there are supposedly going to be rank  DEI requirements as well so it ripple through the entire advancement program.

Paperwork submitted.   

I have all our blue cards filled out and ready to load into internet advancement on Friday.😇

@elitts   I'll spot you the 500k LDS but that's still 500k other boys lost in one year.   Has nothing to do with how many girls joined but not likely we get them back.

@qwazse   13 was on a news feed but can't remember the location.   Over achievers are fine. It's when you see the Mom with a day planner making sure he can fit you in his schedule for another MB that makes you wonder who is earning the MBs.

IMHO

@CynicalScouter  councils get these numbers every month

@qwazse   The age was just an observation of those I have seen.  One girl was 13 with a sash of at least 50 MBs.

@Cburkhardt  If your 130,000 girls in the program is correct, we have lost almost 1,000,000 boys since their arrival.  End of October there were 1.1M total Cubs and Scouts.  Start of 2020 about 2M.   Seems like Surbaugh plan didn't work so well.

Just a question as we see press releases around the country about the "first girl Eagle Scout".  It appears that almost all the young ladies are 18 or close to it.  So how many will remain with the program or will it be a "got mine" and gone.  

Cynical.....and there is that too!

the last brand new eagle mb was sustainability.   Some of the same PC arguments were made then.

@CynicalScouter  "this is going to be a mess"

And this surprises you?  Following the pattern of most other roll outs

@ParkMan

not to worry. We know the BSA will provide succinct guidance to the MBCs which will include a completed worksheet to handout to the scouts.  

Lots of good discussion but here is the bottom line:

They are going to implement this MB and evidently rank requirements.

This will be Eagle Required reducing the number of non required badges for scouts.

50000 scouts will earn this before May 2021.  A good number will be pencil whipped and completed in one hour.

Not sure how this one fits the  purpose of the merit badge program which is supposed to allow Scouts to examine subjects to determine if they would like to further pursue them as a career or vocation.

Finally...no one who is on the panel who came up with these requirements (and we can only imagine what the rank requirements will be) care what any of us think as they are on their mission.

I'm looking forward to seeing the look in the 11 year old face when you ask "what do you think about intersectionality?"  They answer...is that like a 4 way stop at an intersection?

C'mon man admit it!    Everyone one of us had to look that up to see what the heck the BSA was talking about.   

This MB will be the least popular and last one to be earned for Eagle.  Lots of rubber stamps for those who just need this prior to 1 May.

It has repetitive requirements that could be halved and still get the points across.  Should eliminate American Cultures MB.

There is the obligatory "careers" requirement but where is the First Aid one like in every other MB?

Wish there was a "research the BSA's history on DEIBI" and tell how the BSA has been in the forefront of these items since it's founding.  Identify specific milestones.

JMHO

Cynic....not suggesting organizations don't have fixed costs or staff should work for free.   

Companies need to review their fixed costs as well especially when they lose 35% of their customers.   Downsize their footprint of office space for example.  A solid business case analysis is certainly  appropriate which should include all the resources properties, reserve requirements etc.    you are not going back to the funding levels of even three years ago and if you try and spend your way out, there will be for sale or auction signs at your camps.

Comments on a few items scattered in a couple of topics:  We need to see what comes of the bankruptcy for reorganization changes before much will happen.

DEs - The job is not what most believe it is when they get into it.  It's not an "Executive".  It's really a behind the scenes working the administrivia (my new word) of the council and doing projects at the whim of their SE.    They are given unrealistic goals to meet by their SE that not even the SE could meet and then axed.  That's why they leave and/or are expendable labor.  All DEs will vanish before any SE will get rid of their registrar.   I do not believe they get any training (carebear 3895 can correct me) in how to manage and leverage a volunteer workforce and deal with individuals who have much more experience not only in scouting but in other pieces of business like budget execution.   Thumping the desk gets them nowhere.

Charter Partner:   Not sure what the game is here but any unit that says they want a council to be their CO is nuts.  If your council can't provide services now, what chance does an individual unit have.  Will those that are not under the charter agreement of the council get less service.    I think the franchise (territorial) model the BSA uses has failed as well.    Units have no real ability to find the best value for their unit even if their unit borders a council that in their opinion provides better service and requires less travel to district or council meetings.

FOS vs Activity fee:   It always seems "we have to add" (like Congress)  vs an honest analysis of the expense side.  With the overall membership of every council down at least 25%, the income needed to support those youth should also be reduced appropriately.  The activity fee is a tax.   FOS is a voluntary donation where people see value to donate just like other non profits.  The activity fee might be palatable if the activities were of quality.  We have had many activities cancelled (pre-Covid) for lack of planning or just a crappy theme the units decided to do their own thing.  The BSA blew it big time with the new scout $25 joining fee.  Lions down I hear 70%.   What risk analysis is done on potential losses when you tack any fee on a scout's parent?    Don't go down the "we are a great value compared to x/y/z".  and  69.00 must pay goes to national so don't blame us at the council.   Those arguments are dated and no one buys it.  The new regular Charter agreement requires participation in FOS and product sales.  A user fee (camp sites, university of scouting, camporees, special events) seems more fair than a straight tax.

All the above is just MHO. 

If the council owns the unit, then they are the COR aren't they?

Do not hold the board until these drug implications are fully flushed out.

If the board is held, you turn him down, council turns him down, national will award him.

@carebear3895   Why would this form be any different than any other item from national?  😅

When you go to print out the Charter Partner Agreement in Internet Recharter the new form comes up. 

I guess it is imminent 

Back to the OP...my 3 cents.

One major crisis early in the BSA was to get all the many splinter groups to agree to come into one organization, One being the Rhode Island Boy Scouts which still exists today as a trustee organization. 

Another crisis faced  (this will be requirement number one of the new DEI MB), was the pushback of the YMCA  to allow Catholics, Jews, Indians and "Negroes" and other ethnic and racial boys into the program.

In 1972 the BSA membership peaked at 6.5M youth.   What to do about this?  I know let's start the ISP.  I was part of a 50 Eagle Scout group who went to Schiff to evaluate this new program.  Everyone of us said it wouldn't work and we all know how that worked out.   Membership has never recovered and could fall below 1M at the end of 2020.

The 18 year old cap for Eagle was set in 1952 when they did a major overhaul of the MB program.  The BSA allowed those men who had gone off to WWII before they could finish their requirements to do so.  This requirement was essentially ignored until 1965 when the BSA added the Troop Warrant Officer and Eagle Project.  Since adults could not hold a troop youth position, that basically shut the door on adults although there were still councils who defied that.    The exception to 18 is for Youth with Disabilities for which there is no age limit.  The 18 year old cap is also since the BSA requirements are essentially written for 11-14 year olds.

The presentation looks like an administrative overhead shuffle the deck with zero mention of cost savings to the scout.

There is mention of how many councils are currently meeting or not meeting some of the metrics but the numbers on gender and youth of color is not.

@OLDRIFLE...I'm assuming you are the scout in question.

I assume you have been a Life Scout for more than 6 months.  I sat on an Eagle appeal board where the unit wanted the scout to do exactly what your SM wanted and we overturned the unit.

Does your troop have written expectations for the active time?

Was your POR completed already or is it also in dispute?

Formally send your SM an email  request for SM Conference and info the world.  Ask to have a response in 7 days.  If you get nothing, write up all your Eagle paperwork and submit it to council requesting an EBOR under disputed circumstances. GTA 8.0.3.2 based on your belief you have met all the BSA requirements.

JMHO.