Eagle1993

To be fair, the complexity is jumping up on YPT and overnight requirements. I think a BSA sponsored YPT playbook armband should be coming out soon.

This was much more formal than our arrangement however the rules are consistent. I have heard of some Packs taking in paper applications and others accepting 5th grade girls. I’m sure some have already combined dens.

The separate sleeping arrangements was an area of widespread agreement ... but I expect some Packs to screw that up.

One of the moms, current GSUSA leader asked “what grade do you earn that coveted Eagle”. I explained that it has nothing to do with age or grade as there are some *shudder* 12 year olds that have earned the rank. I went through the requirements and we talked about all of the Eagle projects around town. I then explained EBOR and she said it sounded like defending a dissertation. I also agree explained (a bit) about the patrol method. The more the GSUSA members learned about the BSA program the more they saw the benefits.

Had first parents meeting last night and there was a lot of pushback regarding separate dens. The general consensus was that why is BSA adding girls to only keep them segregated. Why wouldn’t the girls just go to Girl Scouts. We got through the discussion but I have a feeling the separate den wall will fall in the future. We also have several current GSUSA scouts coming on board and it is clear that this decision will cause loss in the ranks of GSUSA. Not only are scouts but leaders are looking to transition. I dug in a bit and the two comments I heard were GSUSA program can be borin

To be honest, when I read this story and saw they person who created the Pack was a deputy DA I thought.... political move.

We had a meeting with parents of some of our new girl members last night. One of the biggest complaints and questions was regarding separate dens. The comments were all similar ... why should any girl join if this won’t be coed, why shouldn’t all girls then simply stay in Girl Scouts. We explained that the Pack would be coed and that seemed like to help a bit. I wonder what families and supporters of GSUSA will think of all Girl Packs. Clearly that doesn’t help families go to one organization in terms of planning their time. I don’t understand how creating a girl Pack is family scouting,

The council must have kicked off this story as a recruiting message. Drum up some support in prep for launch. Most seem focused on the Cub Scout program when working with the media, not sure why this council led with 1,600 girls ready to join and then got all the media tied in with a fake BSA girl Troop. Seems like this can only cause confusion.

I’d recognized not reading comments at the end of articles. It’s not clear if they are trolls or simply disgusting human beings.

Great ideas, thanks. I agree, the $600 amount caused me to push back. We are planning on thanking him during our Blue and Gold and I’m trying to get several Boy Scouts who were Cubs under him to attend as well. I love the flag idea and several others. I’ll continue to push back on the gift card, and it will definitely not come out of the Pack budget.

Does this impact both hands? What if he just used his left hand instead?

Thanks for the suggestions. I should note that he was talking about a $600 gift card.

Our long term Cubmaster is stepping down this April when his son crosses over, so we are working on a send off. Our Pack financial status is in good shape so our new Cubmaster suggested using some of those funds for a gift card. I’m pushing back as I don’t think it is appropriate and it feels like it would be against policy. First... is there anyone who thinks this would be appropriate? I think he was just throwing out ideas (he is a good leader), but it didn’t strike me as right. Second... any good examples of gifts/sendoffs for Cub Masters? I definitely want to give him somethi

The Germans I worked with were near France/Switzerland. They told me that after the war, the American and German leaders made peace and that all levels of American soldiers treated the Germans well. The French and German leaders also made peace but the Germans I talked to said that didn’t trickle down. Even German kids who had nothing to do with the war were mistreated by the French soldiers. I didn’t ask for specifics. To this day, they said that most Germans pick Spanish or Italian as their foreign language vs French. Many Germans will still not vacation in France either. I told t

Oh, and many of them still dislike the French... at least those 40 and older.

I had an engineering team that used to work for me out of Germany. One of them told me of the time he told his son about WWII. He got through telling his son the history and his son asked...”dad, we were on the good side, right”. “Well son, as a matter of fact....” it was a tough conversation to have.

I’m hoping they most if not all come through... so far a lot of verbal interest.

What I am starting to see is several dads who only had daughters volunteer to be leaders. One was a former ASM, Eagle Scout and OA member. He only had girls so stopped his involvement if BSA and is now interested in volunteering as his girls are getting involved. We are also seeing other parents volunteer as they are talking of having their daughters join. Right now we have the possibility of adding 26 scouts to our pack of 71 over the next 2 weeks. 4 are boys and 22 girls (2 boys joined along with their sisters). 7 of the girls are from a separate school who’s Pack is not adding girls

I’m in the med device industry and I’ve seen this with PMP (project management professional) and various nursing certifications (CNA, RN, etc.). However, I do agree some can go overboard. Generally it’s a red flag if the characters in your degree and certification list exceed your name length. 😀 As far as eagle candidate on your resume I’d keep it to Life Scout for now. At 15 that is a great accomplishment.

Our settings have been updated and we have been able to register our first girl. I believe we are the only Pack in our council doing this at this time, but there are other early Packs showing some interest. Next up parents meeting and more homework on condensing a program down into 5 months.

Good recommendation and thanks for the additional DE insight. Our DE has been very supportive so I’ll lean to the side of him thinking down the road on ensuring a quality program vs padding the numbers. I definitely appreciate the ideas and will focus our leaders on planning for a large Pack vs breaking it apart.

Today, there is no requirement for male YPT adults to be present at Cub Scout outings. You can simply have two female den leaders and your fine. When adding girls, I believe BSA worked with both legal and other authorities and realized that having two males leading would be an issue, so they added in the YPT female requirement. The question is why they didn’t go back and put in a new requirement for all Boy dens. My guess is that he BSA didn’t want to negatively impact existing Packs and Dens for something that is not needed for safety or legal reasons. That said, I do think th

That is interesting, as in our case the council is the one initiating the idea of splitting the Pack up... no one inside our Pack has even thought of this. I’ll focus on adding adult leaders in various roles to improve our program instead of breaking the pack up. Thanks for the insights.

@Pselb We would have 1 Pack for K5-3rd grade and the other Pack for 4th & 5th graders. I don’t see splitting friends as much of a risk. Most of the scouts in our Pack hang out with their own grade level. We do have other Packs in town but all are heavily segregated by school... there are no scouts in any of the Packs from other schools. When we lose scouts, we lose them to sports not other youth organizations. Even with all of that, I am definitely leaning to keeping 1 Pack and look for other solutions for our primary issue (Webelos and AOL linkage to Troops) and secondary i

My primary issue that I have is the lack of involvement with Troops for Webelos and AOL. The AOL does the Klondike with one Troop but I would like to see more activities with multiple Troops. That would allow the scouts to get a feel of the various Troop options in our area. As the CC (same with the CM), it is difficult to have the time to help make that happen when supporting a Pack that is this large and ranges from K5-5th grade (and now girls). I may just lean on my den leaders and give them contacts. Another option is den chiefs... perhaps I can reach out and see if any Troops w