Eagle94-A1

Do you honestly believe national will be transparent and not hide stuff in questionable surveys? I am still waiting to see the MEMBER (emphasis) survey results from 2017. And even if they did not hide the results, would they listen? I remember the 2014/15 Eagle Palm Survey where 94% WERE OPPOSED to Instapalms, specifically 78% STRONGLY AGAINST and 16% Against. Yet we have them now( bold, underlining, and caps for major emphasis).

Those were all in the CUB SCOUT LEADERS' HOW TO BOOK at one time.

Any place we can find copies of those slides?

A few questions. 1. What happens with the Webelos Den that wants to complete Scouting Adventure, but doesn't have a troop at the same CO? 2. What about the new troop that is having challenges that wants to team up with an experienced troop to help them get better? 3. What if a Cub Scout Pack is doing a Cross Over at a camp out, and their Webelos are going to two, or even three, different troops, and wants the troops to camp with them? 4. What about the two troops that meet at summer camp and want to do a joint activity? 5. What about the troop that has some vacancies

I did have an advantage over the new folks. I served 22 years in various Boy Scout/Scouts BSA and district/council levels before joining the troop. Even then, the first year I was an committee member so I could A. Deprogram myself from 5 years of Cub Scouts :)- , and B. to get use to the troop's culture. Camp Outs help, summer camp was even better.

1. WELCOME TO DA FORUMS! 2. Regarding training, what Scouts BSA program training courses did you take? 3. What experience with the Scouts BSA, formerly Boy Scout, Program do you have? Please do not include time as a Cub Scout Leader as they are two different programs, with major differences. 4. Follow T2Eagle's advice. I will give you a story about why it's important in a minute. 5. The reason why some "Senior Scouters" may seem hostile to new folks is that it takes years to build a program, but only a few months to destroy it. New folks, especially recently crossed ove

National came out with this rule a few years back. Page 21 of the GTSS states "Local council approval is needed for unit-coordinated overnight camping activities involving other units not chartered by the same organization. Units that wish to host events involving other units that do not share the same charter partner must have approval from their council. This includes events for packs, troops, crews, and ships from the same council; neighboring councils; the same territory; or other territory" Stupid rule I know. I Think it was put into place to prevent some units from doing their own s

1. Have a handout with a list of gear AS WELL AS a list of household items you can substitute. 2. Have someone bring gear as well as household items to substitute. 3. Talk about what to look for if purchasing gear. 4. EMPASIZE THAT HOUSEHOLD ITEMS CAN BE USED IF THEY CANNOT AFFORD CAMPING GEAR. Major emphasis. I had someone bring all their latest greatest gear, and it was scaring some of the parents. Had to tell him to emphasize he has been camping for several years and accrued this stuff over time. I had to show the how to use household items. 5. Tents. Set up a tent to d

1988 or 1989. I remember the approximate year because we had a physician, who was also registered with BSA with the troop, who would give us free physicals. The year No one-on-one contact came out, the troop committee chairman sat in the physical as well. I remember asking why he was present, and her said the new rule. In my smartaleckness of the time I commented, "Oh yeah we really need to worry about Doc_________________ since he has 11 kids and one on the way."

I have a long time Scouter of the troop who does not like the fact that the troop is owned by the church and the pastor can change how we do things. We have had a change in leadership recently and the new pastor has asked us to stick to our Scout room, and avoid going into other areas unless we reserve them in advance. In the past, we had free reign as long as it was not in use.

thank you.

When does national EVER listen to the volunteers? 3 instances come immediately to mind. I piloted the NSP way back when, and it was a complete and utter failure, yet they implemented it. Second time was "Instapalms" Of those polled about "Instapalms," 94% were either against ( 18%) or strongly against (76%) Yet they went with it anyway. 3rd time was the June 2015 Cub Scout Program. Several years by volunteers went into developing the program, and at least 1 member of the committee got input from active Cub Scout leaders on the ground. Program implementation info came out in adva

I agree with Malraux, keeping secrets, especially in regards to YP is an extremely bad idea. Further I am interested in what safety improvements . Some of the the ideas to improve Scouting that have been listed on previous threads by survivors are in place, and have been for years, and in some cases decades.

The only Coalition I know about the the Coalition for Abuse Scouts for Justice. And I know about them because of this website. I would guess 90% of volunteers do not know what is going on, or care, as they are focused on their units. COVID has hit many of us big time and we are struggling to survive. As for safer Scouting, the only recommendation I am aware of is removing the 72 hour rule (non-registered adults can camp for a max of 72 hours at an activity) for Scouts BSA, Sea Scouts, & Venturing. The plan is to still keep non-registered adults up to 72 hours at the Cub Scout since th

While I know folks will do stupid things, including those over 21, I would still like to see the raw data to analyze this information.

You and me both. I remember back in the day being told by a newly crossed over adult, that I was to young to know what I was doing. Thankfully that adult didn't burn anything down with what he was doing.

Could you please elaborate?

Scouting lost phenomenal folks due to the changes in the age policy, All of them feel that BSA disrespected them. Which is really sad because in my experience the 18-20 year olds are better Scouters than the recently crossed over adults because A. they have the knowledge, skills, and abilities already, despite the lack of official training, and B. they were the peers and role models of the Scouts, and they already have the respect of them. In one case the person who aged out would be unable to follow YP policies outside of Scouting since he is still in HS and several of his classmates are invo

That's because back in 1989, someone equated earning First Class and retention. Two factors that were never taken into account were 1) Activity level of troops and 2) LDS 11 year old patrols and mandatory registration in Scouts.

Agree. My middle son has had issues because of the paper pushing some of the paperpushing requirements for some of the active ones. Right now it the trail cooking requirements for Cooking. Two quotes come to mind with this. 1. "OUTING is three-fourths of ScOUTING." and 2. "SCOUTING IS OUTING!" In the 1970s, BSA took tried to take the outing out of Scouting to the point that between 1972 and 1979, you could earn Eagle without a single night of camping. BSA took a nosedive in membership, and Bill Hillcourt had to come out of retirement to save the BSA. Zoom MB classes are wrong.

Does anyone remember when they went from 3 camp outs to be First Class to 6 camp outs to be First Class, and folks were so ticked off that about the increase that 19 months later they change it back to 3 camp outs? January 1, 2016 was when 6 camp outs were required for First Class. August 1, 2017 was when they changed it back?

Agree with the sentiment that Eagle is becoming to academic. I had a SMC with one of my guys and the topic came up. This is a Life Scout, with only the project and a few MBs to complete. He complained about the MB giveaways at most MBUs, and most online classes he has talked to other about. Just showing up gets you the MB in some cases. For him, it is the adventure that keep him: Cycling, whitewater, blackpowder, etc. He plans to earn Eagle, he's way to close to stop, but feels it does not have the same value as it did when his dad and I got ours. And I agree.

From experience and observation, there is a reason why mountain biking has shorter distances. My troop started working on Cycling MB during COVID using the road biking options. Spent a year working up to the 50 mile trip and did it successfully. 3 of the Scouts decided to do the mountain biking program at summer camp a month and a half after doing the 50 mile bike trip. THEY. WERE. OVERWHELMED. AND. EXHAUSTED. AND.QUIT. AFTER.THE.FIRST.DAY! (MAJOR EMPHASIS) Again these were three Scouts who had spent a year road cycling with the troop and on their own. They completed the 50 miles in

Going to play Devil's Advocate, so bear with me. I do like some program on camp outs. I want it stuff that the Scouts wants to do. BUT I want it also flexible enough that we can leave it out, or change it around as needed. Also want some down time where the Scouts can goof off, play guitar, etc. Reason why I say that is we had a lock in with no plans except dinner, SMCs so I can get to know my Scouts better, and prepare for our 100th anniversary. It was a mess with the Scouts themselves complaining about lack of organization. As for having fun, if it is not fun, no one will stay aro

@ThenNow, Thank you for the link.