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Understatement. We had a group that started pushing back, but as the adults did more and took decisions away from them, they appear to have said "The heck with it."

David, First off, THANK YOU for doing the COR job likes it's suppose to be done. Sadly, in my 25 years as a Scouter, i can count on one hand how many did what they were suppose to do. All, This exact situation, having experienced Boy Scouters go back and help Webelos is something I too have seen done. ASM saw some challenges with the WDLs, and ended up becoming the WDL. Unlike David, the COR is a paper one with that pack & troop, so when the paperwork came across, it was signed automatically by the CO. One reason why I was thinking of going back to Cubs, to work with the We

Ah ringer patrols. True story, we had one troop put all their older Scouts, specifically all the ones who went to Philmont that summer into a single patrol. It was quite humorous in that they didn't do to well, and were in fact the lower half of the patrols. That was a few years back. Closest we had to a ringer this year was a combined patrol. Long story short, one patrol had the bare minimum to compete, 4 Scouts, and the other patrol had only 3. They merged into a 7 man patrol for the weekend. Last year one of the two merged patrols was 2nd overall while the other patrol was in the top 5

I agree partially Stosh. I agree that you need to get the Scouts' input as to what events to do. They know what they like to do. I disagree with him in having them run events. That's because i feel the event is for them and they should be having fun. BUT I would not stop them from helping if that is what they want to do. In fact I had two JASMs from 1 troop run an event at my camporee due to mobility issues with their adults. I did camporee for 2 years. First year it was thrown together in 2 months since the person in charge dropped the ball and quit. I used the Scouts in my troop,

National did just that, in the 1970s, and look what happened.

Boy can I relate. Still did some of the fun, but not alot to do. I tried Sea Scouts, but the ship was "interesting." What did it for me was OA. Got super active in the lodge.

From the Congressional Charter, The purposes of the corporation [bSA] are to promote, through organization, and cooperation with other agencies, the ability of boys to do things for themselves and others, to train them in scoutcraft, and to teach them patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred virtues, using the methods that were in common use by boy scouts on June 15, 1916. Don't read anything about "youth"

Atlanta Area Council made the ad, and others, a few years back.

I attribute it to the DL. While I like the new program, it got watered down in December 2016. We had 2 batches of Webelos cross over: one in January, and one in April. Both groups started with the new, 2015 program. The January group had two outstanding WDLs who made the transition smooth.The April Group started with the June 2015 program, but 1/2 ended up using the easier December 2016 requirements to get AOL, and one had to get his Webelos Badge under the 2016 requirements! Some things the January DLs did were the following: 1) Took WDL training and IOLS instead of WLOT. Not only d

So, Scouting has been stressing, me out as of late as evidenced in other threads. Need to focus on the good things to keep me going a little longer. So this thread is POSITIVE, things that you think about when things go south. Or as SGT. Oddball would say, 'Knock it off with them negative waves." I'll start. 1) View of the lake this weekend at sunrise. The sun was barely over the trees, the fog was on the lake, and the only thing up and about was the geese. Wish I had a camera with me. 2) Middle son's costume in the costume contest. He came really close to getting third as the

Was it Mark Twain that said, " There are lies. There are damned lies. And then there are statistics."

Had the meeting and it was in one ear and out the other. If you try to enforce it, you are the bad guy. Give you an example. One of the Scouts on 3 camp outs now has snuck back into his parents' tent or shelter. Try to correct the situation and dad doesn't do a thing to encourage doing the right thing. This weekend he sat the first nite next to his son's tent until he fell asleep. When I treid to get dad away, I was told "Do yo want me to leave, because if you force this we will." Now I had enough to deal with running camporee, and went to talk to the adults that would be with the troo

From previous conversations with him, there were only 2 adults willing to camp. One had to bring the daughter at times, the other a Cub aged grandson. The grandson who tagged along is his nephew. Good question. Answer, they have never been asked. The troop has been very much adult led, not youth led. As soon as we begin starting getting on track, something happens.

Regarding camporee, due to size restrictions, 3 troops will be in the same campsite. Patrols will be lucky if they are 10' apart. And unfortunately I cannot convince the other adults to let their kids go 300' even before this last batch came in. Regarding Youth Protection, not only will you get called out, yuo will be reminded of "Family Camping," "Scouting is for the whole family," and the other family catchphrases used by national to promote going coed. Yes, that happened today.

Here's the irony. We have one troop that had helicopters take over. As their son's Eagled, they lessened their involvement to the point they scramble to get a 2nd adult at times to camp. They didn't recruit for several years, and were dying. Another friend of mine joined them, and is very slowly getting them on track. They got a btach of Webelos who had 2 good WDLs who really transitioned them well. The four that joined us are doing very well and no issues. So I was talking to the wife about Post #29. She made the comment that if the current troop wants to become Webelos 3s, I should go to the

Well it just got escalated. Long story short, an online discussion noted how one of the new scouters is now bringing his wife and Tiger to the camporee this weekend. I made comments about how this is a Boy Scout event, and Cubs are not suppose to be there. Major pushback about how the troop had allowed 10-15 years ago siblings to camp with them, and other major pushback. Noted all the factors involved in why Cubs do not need to be there. More push back. Then 2 other private discussions on push back. One ASM of the troop is one of those pushing back. Apparently his troop growing up allowed

New one today. So the SPL and SM both mentioned after 1 incident that if the Scouts do not take care of their tents, which were donated to the troop, they could stay under the stars or sleep under tarps so that they could learn why they need to take care of the tents. They didn't take care of the tents. SPL announced that they troop will be under tarps this weekend. The helicopters are complaining because it is taking advancement opportunity away from their Scouts and 'Punishing Scouts is violating BSA policy and that taking their tents away is way overboard." Funny thing is I al

These two made my day

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So I ran into an old friend today who is also involved in Scouting. Sounds like he is having similar issues with helicopter parents like my troop is having, except worse. He said One helicopter in his troop has caused a long time Scouter to quit as he cannot take the hovering and passive aggressiveness. Parents also keep thinking it's all about the bling and pushing advancement. Another helicopter organized a Radio MB and JOTA weekened without consulting with any other adults in the troop the week before a scheduled camp out., A third helicopter was whining that her son coudn't do th

As others have said, another unit may be a better fit. Please do not take offense if I quote you and give my thoughts. Retention has been a problem with my troop, and your post has me thinking.

As I said all indications was that this decision was made at least a year ago, if not longer Heck I would say it was made before Wayne Brock retired as CSE. I stated previously I believed Surbaugh was selected to be CSE because of his experience in Exploring and Learning for Life. And after reviewing his wikipage and thinking about it, I bet Surbaugh had a major role in coming up with this. I bet the the research focused on those outside of Scouting and was left as generic as possible to avoid any hint of this coming out. That's why they have so much info on what non-Scouting families want

Aquatics at night is not allowed in the G2SS unless it is a well light area. Actually national came up with a way to get around this at the local council's discretion. It was on Bryan's Blog a few weeks ago. A lot of controversy about this move, and I am against it. As for running, I don't recommend it in a campsite bc/ of the guy lines and tripping/tearing down a tent hazards. Other areas of a camp? Don't see why not. to cwoefully inadequate.re Regarding Scouters saying they don't need the skills, yep me too. One of the SM's I taught said that to me in person. And

Agreed, staying mad will not do anything. And as much as I would love to send no more money to national, I gotta stay registered. But as you mentioned national totally and completely botched it. And yes they wasted a heck of a lot of money this summer to promote this only to tick off the base in the manner they released the membership change. But here is the deal. You had some Scouters like myself with experience with coed Scouting both here and abroad. While my Sea Scouting experience with girls was negative, the overseas female Scouts was much more positive. Heck the female inter

I had a conversation with a short lived pro who went to DE training in Dallas last year. From the conversation I had with them and other stuff I am seeing, I believe the volunteers, parents, and Scouts have been lied to. You read that correctly, I BELIEVE NATIONAL LIED TO US IN THE FIELD. They were not surprised in the least by the decision because Surbaugh hinted around at "making changes" when at the meet and greet. Also commented how Surbaugh never used the term "Boys," and "men," but always "youth" and "children." That commented was mentioned previously, and I noticed that sin