scoutldr

I don't disagree, Lisa. It is amazing how sometimes political platforms, when viewed with 20/20 hindsight, turn out to be a lot different than what the people were led to believe (or they refused to believe) at the time.

Sounds like THREE dens to me! Way to go!

Thanks, Eric for explaining it better than I did. Was the lady rude and boorish? Of course. But a "townhall" meeting is open to the public and is conducted at the taxpayers' expense, including Mr. Frank's salary and benefits while he conducts them. Therefore, Mr. Frank has an obligation to listen to all opinions...not just the ones which agree with his. And I don't remember her actually using the word "Nazi"...she was just holding that Hitler poster which I also find distasteful. I may be wrong about that, though. And a little about the term "Nazi". As one who was almost fluent in German at one time, the term comes from the "National Socialist Democratic Workers Party" or "National Socialistisch Demokratisch Arbeits Partei", or NSDAP. The first two syllables of the word "National" pronounced in German comes out "Nazi". Of course, Adolph Hitler turned out to be an evil person and gave the word "Nazi" a bad reputation, when originally it was just another political party. Just like he did to the Swastika, a native American good luck symbol used by Baden-Powell. But there are a lot of Americans who believe that the term "National Socialist" describes perfectly what's happening to the United States right now, and that's why you hear BHO described in those terms...not that we believe he will try to commit genocide. It's about his policies and the attitude of "I know what's best for you, therefore this is the way it's going to be, like it or not".

I think the initiative being shown by the patrol is great! Not to hijack the thread, however does anyone else remember something about youth protection and "no more than 3 year age difference" (I think in the context of sharing tents). Or did I (or the instructor) make that up?

Just curious...what about the Afro-American flag. Or the gay rainbow flag? Or the Gadsden Flag...or the Mexican flag...or the POW flag....or the...just where DO you draw the line? When you start whittling away at people's constitutional rights, it gets complicated real fast. Which, I believe, is the reason for her protest in the first place. And Frank confirmed her worst fears..."unless you agree with me, you're a lunatic (or racist) and have no right to speak." Hmmmmm...sounds REAL familiar to those who bothered to pay attention in History class. "you don't get to scream Nazi in a townhall"..umm, I think the SCOTUS would disagree on that one. We all have the right to be offensive. If Frank can't stand the heat, then don't have a public meeting. That's what MY representatives did.(This message has been edited by scoutldr)

Even "idiots" have first amendment rights. Thank God. Otherwise, a lot of politicians would be unemployed.

Just my opinion, but I would not do a durn thing unless and until there is a signed CHARTER in place (meaning you have a real Pack) and the boys are officially registered as members of the BSA. You can tell that because they will show up on your charter printout and each person, youth and adult, will have a unique membership number. The legal beagles can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there are liability issues here. If something happens, the BSA will walk away and be able to say "don't call us, they weren't registered members". Tell the FD and SE to call you when they have it fixed and can present you with a charter.

Yes, she brought the discussion into the gutter, but Frank showed his real character when he followed her down there and wallowed in in with her. I expect elected representatives to show more character and restraint...and take the high road when offered a choice. No, Frank is not Scout material...for a variety of reasons. I think he's a buffoon, not unlike many of his colleagues and predecessors.

With all of my science degrees, I still can't come up with a good reason not to pee on a tree, when all the animals do it. If Nature is that sensitive, then we shouldn't be there at all. I did hear a fear expressed that, once everyone starts dosing themselves with Tamiflu, it will eventually end up in the waste water stream and the wild avian flu virus will quickly develop resistance to it.

All depends on how tight the "Good Ole' Boys" club is in your District/Council and the pool of willing volunteers. But if there is someone firmly entrenched who is NOT doing their job and providing what the units need, the CORs need to exercise their ex officio voice and complain at the District meetings. Most don't complain because they're not willing to step up and take over the job.

One year. The first order of business in the new year is to elect the District Committee. Other than the District Chairman, District Commissioner, and CORs all other positions are "at large" members of the Committee. Then, once the ballot is approved, subcommittee chair assignments are made by the District Chairman (Camping, Membership, Training, Finance, Activities, etc). Those assignments can be changed at any time, but that doesn't change your status as an "at large" member of the District Committee. IN reality, people can stay as long as they want and are perceived as doing a good job. The annual election is mainly a formality. At least that's how it is in our neck of the woods.

My MIL is on Medicare, because she is FORCED to be. She had Blue Cross/Blue Shield through her husband's job at the power company. Once they became Medicare age, the company forced them to apply and BC/BS becomes the secondary payer, although the premiums remained the same. A vision of things to come for ALL Americans. My wife spends about 5 hours a WEEK trying to straighten out the paperwork and calling 800 numbers to talk to bureaucratic morons. And trying to find doctors who accept new Medicare patients is becoming harder and harder. Be careful what you vote for. The only thing I agree with is BHO's plan to cut $500 million (or is it Billion?) from Medicare funding....I really don't need four walkers in my shed, courtesy of the taxpayer. I tried to give them back...they don't want them back. But every time she goes into the hospital, they order her a new one.

Hello, Ethan! Welcome! Are you a Cub Scout? If so, how old are you?

Just as I thought...I'm a Libertarian. Not like those Constitutionalists who think "promote the general welfare" means you're entitled to a monthly check for not working.

Thanks, ahofer. I am usually a pretty reasonable, if conservative, kinda guy. Hang around the campfire awhile and help us solve all the world's ills! And if Edge is still reading, OK, you're not a troll and my apologies for doubting you. Jump back in the water and let us know how your quest is coming.

Our posts are crossing in the ether...sorry about that. ahofer, I don't think we are that far apart. I'm just saying that if he goes before the EBOR and blurts out "I am an atheist", he's gonna have a problem. That issue needs to be resolved BEFORE he gets to that point, either with his parents, SM or other respected adult. I sit on EBOR as the District rep, and I know whereof I speak. Go over the "Declaration of Religious Principles" with him and the explanation in the Handbook of "A Scout is Reverent". But, ultimately, he needs to come down off the fence before he goes into the EBOR. Everyone should stand by their beliefs, or lack thereof. But there are consequences to that. Another valuable life lesson, eh? People of faith all have doubts from time to time. I do, too. We wouldn't be normal, imperfect humans if we didn't. But I can read the DRP and agree to it, therefore, I am a member. And to correct your other mis-conception, we all don't "own" the BSA. The BSA is a corporation that markets and licenses a product (the program and materials) to Chartering Organizations. (And the biggest and most powerful COs are churches). We (Scouts and Scouters and parents) are customers of that product. Like going to McDonalds...if we don't like the Big Mac, we can choose not to buy it...we can offer suggestions for improvement, we can even picket and protest against it. But we can't "demand" they change it. We don't have that power. The only power you have is to NOT stroke that check every year. That's the reality.

I never said he didn't "belong". I stated that, as an atheist/agnostic he doesn't meet the membership criteria. He needs to figure out what he believes before he goes before the Board. They will surely ask him about how he fulfills his "duty to God" (a pretty standard question at all EBOR), and he should answer honestly. Ya wanna know my opinion? I think that ALL youth should be offered Scouting. I have gay and atheist friends and I don't think they are all "bad people", or necessarily immoral. All gay men are not pedophiles or "bad role models". Some of my sons' best teachers were gay/lesbian. I'm sure many of them are atheist, too, but it's none of my business. I do think smokers are bad role models, but the BSA lets them in...go figure. Bottom line is, I don't run the organization nor do they ask me what I think.

ahofer: Edge is the one who said "you must think I am a troll". I merely agreed that I do think that. Those are my beliefs. Why are you ridiculing them? I stand in judgement of no man or boy. I am merely stating facts. Edge stated, "I am an atheist". Therefore, he is NOT eligible to be a Boy Scout, much less an Eagle Scout. And if he goes before the Eagle Board and lies about his core beliefs just to get a tin badge, then he is a dishonorable human being as well. Again, just stating fact. Those are NOT my rules and I'm not saying I agree with them. But they are, nonetheless, rules in fact. If you have a beef with the rules of the BSA, which have been upheld by the Supreme Court of the US, then write a letter to Irving and tell them what you think. It does no good to complain to us...we don't make the rules. We're just customers of the organization, like you and our opinions are worth the same as yours...zero. The BSA offers a product and they think they have enough satisfied customers that they don't need to change. Get it? Or start your own private youth organization, then YOU can make up the rules, eh?

Ask the council registrar TODAY for a printout of your Pack's charter roster. That will tell you who is registered officially. If that list doesn't match what you have, ask why. If you have submitted all paperwork and registration money, there's no reason they shouldn't be registered. I was going to suggest to quit waiting and start having den meetings, but if the folks aren't officially registered yet, I would wait because of the liability.

"We had several boys walk away from hundreds of dollars for our last trip to Philmont" Probably because they had no "skin" in the game, as was noted before...Mom or Dad probably paid it. Easy come, easy go. Doesn't affect their life because there are no consequences. Discourteous to others? So what? Who cares? We are seeing the rising epidemic of narcissism. Just read an article about that on a Psych website.

Love For Neighbor. --- In promoting the second commandment, love for one's neighbor, we urge our Scouts and Guides to express this in active form by doing, even in an elementary way, good service for others. The daily good turn, without desire for reward, which grows by progressive stages till it becomes a habit of conduct, goes on till it involves sacrifices in time or money or pleasures, even to the extent of involving danger to the life of the performer. Baden-Powell, 1924 (thanks to Kudu)

I agree. The "goal" in Afghanistan, whatever that is, is not worth one more American life. It's clear that democracy is not valued nor desired by all people and we should quit trying to force our values down their throats. But let us be clear...if there is ONE hostile action against Americans or any other sovereign nation minding their own business, our retaliation will be swift, sure and overwhelming force against them and those supplying them.

Buffalo...I like it! Win-Win!

"We have met the Troop and they is us" You don't get credit for providing service to yourself.

First of all, the DE can't "order" a unit to do anything. (this makes my blood boil). The decision of which unit to join is up to the parents and the CO/Leaders of the unit. I agree with the above...if they are 11, sign them up. If they are not, then ScoutNet won't accept their registration anyway (except as Cubs). Tell them you'll see them on their 11th birthday.