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Ebay has it listed as "Conservation of Natural Resources", if the seller has it listed correctly. It is available in either green or silver border. See ebay item 190166806559. Wildlife management had geese/ducks flying over a marsh.

Thanks, Joni. I didn't intend it to be "whining". Just an observation on the narcissistic society that we find ourselves in. Not sure what I did to evoke the nasty, uncharacteristic response from Mr. BadenP. Taking Beavah's advice, I will just assume that he's a well-intentioned fellow Scouter, who has good reasons for responding in such a rude, childish manner. I would buy him a cup of coffee...if I could. I'm even more amazed that the moderators let it stand. I respectfully request that the thread be closed, so as not to inconvenience Mr. BadenP any further with my "whining". Good day to you all.

Having been taken to the woodshed in a PM, let me apologize for my unfortunate choice of words. I agree, my comment was un-scoutlike. Not having actually seen the Leaders' Stanford-Binet IQ scores, I have no idea if they are "morons" or not, which is a specific medical diagnosis. Let me just state that we have no such "rules" in our Troop, nor would I be associated with any troop that does. If the scout follows the prescribed process and produces a signed blue card, that's all I need to present the "worthless piece of cloth". A Scout is Trustworthy and if he says he completed the requirements, and the registered MBC agreed, then it's done. That's the BSA program, as I learned it. One of the unstated "ground rules" of this forum is that we respond to the "facts" we are presented with, realizing that there is always a "backstory" that we are not aware of. The original poster chose the name of FoxPatrol, from which I perhaps incorrectly inferred that he was a beaded Wood Badger and knew from whence he spake, rather than being a new, naive over-protective "helicopter parent" as Beavah assumes. Could be that both of us are wrong. OGE and eisely have eloquently echoed what I was thinking, in my own not-so-PC way. He stated, "Turns out he was not awarded them because the Troop does not recognize any completions from any counselors outside the Troop because they DO NOT trust anyone other than their own counselors. This goes for all BSA Summer camps, Merit badge universities or any other counselor outside the troop. Whatever merit badge the scout works on at either camp or merit badge university they are required to prove to the troops own counselors that they completed the requirements." So this was apparently not an isolated case of a particular camp staff's proven lack of competence. This is a blanket troop policy which assumes that ALL MBC not registered and controlled by the Troop are not worthy of working with their scouts, who must be retested to the troop's satisfaction. Following Beavah's logic, why would they not assume that a counselor is a well-intentioned, competent, all-round good guy/gal who does it all right until proven otherwise? After all, they are all fellow registered Scouters, worthy of our trust, are they not? I was hoping we were not returning to the days of BobWhite where there was only one correct answer and the rest of us were just background noise. Perhaps I was wrong and I need to just take a breather from the forums. Perhaps from Scouting as well. It's all getting too bizarre for me.

I'm no big fan of Dr. Laura, however, she ends each radio show with "Now go do the right thing." I'm mourning the realization that "doing the right thing" is no longer the default decision for most people. The mantra now seems to be "I'm going to do whatever is convenient, profitable, easiest, funnest, etc. at this moment in time, and I don't care about anyone else." Some recent examples from my life: I am the victim of yet another uninsured driver. I was sideswiped, and had to chase the driver three blocks, flashing my lights before he would stop. Getting out of the car, he immediately blamed me for the accident. I called 911 and a cop was there in 10 minutes. The other driver lied about insurance coverage, and the cop never asked to see proof. He also never ran our licenses through the computer. Turns out the guy has no insurance, and has a rap sheet a mile long, including DUI, concealed weapons, discharging a firearm, susepended license, larceny, etc. The cop handed me a form with the other driver's info and said, "since you moved your car, I can't tell what happened, so y'all work it out. Good luck" No one, except me, did the right thing, and I'm screwed. Trying to refinance my 2nd mortgage, we discovered that the first mortgage company had paid my real estate taxes to the wrong account. It took me 4 months to get it straight...phone calls and certified letters went unanswered. The city said, "it's your problem". Come to find out the "wrong account" was my MIL's house. She tried to pay her taxes, and the city promptly sent her check back saying it was already paid. So, knowing full well something was not right, she just keeps the money, hoping no one will notice, while my wife and I are pulling our hair out over this. The city never notified me that my taxes were delinquent, instead just slapping a tax lien on the property. No one "did the right thing." I could write two more hours of examples. Am I the only one feeling this way??? I am really afraid for the society that my children will inherit.

How can I put this kindly? Oh, never mind...what a bunch of arrogant morons! If this is the troop policy, then WHY did the SM allow the boys to waste a whole week at camp, with his implicit approval? I would call your District Advancement Chair and file a formal appeal, in writing.

From the Greek Chi-Rho (XR)...Christ. Not to be confused with Chi-Mu (XM) which is that satellite radio thing.

Those of us who have been abducted by aliens already have chips imbedded in our necks.

Sure Oz...come on up! But you'll have to get used to the idea that North=Cold and South=Hot! And our bathtubs spiral down in the opposite direction! The idea of Velcro is interesting. The new Army field uniform has Velcro all over it for unit patches, rank, etc. Not sure how it would work with young scouts who would go around ripping each other's patches off. It also tends to collect lint and threads when going through the wash.

As a young public health professional, my first job was running an inner city VD clinic. This was when AIDS was still an unknown syndrome that seemed to be just affecting the gay bath houses in San Francisco. I will never forget the 11 year old who came in to be treated for Gonorrhea. Her pregnancy test was also positive. The father was her older cousin. To her, it was no big deal. That job taught me more about human nature than I could ever have learned in school. In some cultures, sex is something you do to whoever will hold still long enough, related or not, minor or not, same sex or not. Even then, treatment of minors was mandated by law and was confidential. Not even parents got notified. Otherwise, they wouldn't come in and disease outbreaks would be impossible to control. Fast forward from the 70s to the 00s. Sex is no longer a big deal for anyone. Oral sex is not really "sex", and is common among middle schoolers. Even the President can do it and get away with it. The reality is that kids ARE having sex. They ARE having unprotected sex. The ARE getting pregnant. YOUR kid is probably having sex. If you think they are not, your are terribly naive.

If you are only getting 50% participation, that should be a red flag. Perhaps it's not as "good" a camporee as you think. Your District Program committee should be on top of this, finding out what people expect and then plan to meet those expectations. Perhaps the dates are bad...perhaps they don't want "competitions". Get on Google and find out what other Councils are doing...there's lots of ideas out there. The most interesting one I saw was one where ALL activities happened at night and everyone slept during the day. Get outside the box...maybe everyone's tired of knot tying relays and first aid races. In many Districts, the SPL's also attend (or are supposed to attend) roundtable. Give this challenge to them and see what they come up with. Or maybe the OA chapter can take it on. Just some ideas...

Assuming they sold 20,000 last year. So if they "only" sell 19,999 this year, they get penalized $600, even if they did everything else right? That's BS. That's $600 more profit in the Council's pocket, so it's no wonder they are making it harder to jump through the hoops. There are lots of reasons a Pack may not increase sales, not the least of which is membership which ebbs and flows. I would find another fundraiser...let the Council keep their silly rules.

I have shared this rant before, but I think a troop-run MB program circumvents the intent of the MB program and short-changes the boys. The point of the MB program is to promote initiative, adult association (NOT being group-spoonfed 5 MB from "Joey's mom"), and the chance to meet some real experts in the subject. If it were up to me, I would not allow "Troop XX Only" MBCs. They would be recruited and managed at the district level to ensure quality control. One of the things I miss from the old Exploring program was the way we passed on our expertise to the Scouts. Our Post was sponsored by a Vol Fire Dept and Rescue Squad, and we regularly staffed camporees, OA events, and offered MB classes. We were all Certified by the ARC (as a 16 year old, I was an Advanced First Aid Instructor and Water Safety Instructor), and in fire fighting and heavy-duty rescue. When we turned 18 we were eligible to become real members of the squad. We offered real expertise, a quality training experience, and we had real equipment to go with it for show and tell, including a fully equipped and licensed ambulance.

I found at least one other council on Google who is offering "up to 40%" commissions to the units.

Just goes to show that no matter what I say, someone is sure to be offended. So, with that as a given, I no longer attempt to be PC.;-) The National Capitol Area Council HQ in Bethesda, MD was donated by Mr. Marriott (the hotel guy and prominent Mormon). Perhaps he will help out the Philly kids, as well.

What do I really think? I think the BSA has painted themselves into a lose-lose corner. If they cave, they lose mega-dollars in support from the religious sector (LDS, et. al.)which the organization can't survive. If they don't cave, our support from corporations, Government and United Way continues to decline and we disappear anyway. Hate to say it, but I think the GSUSA got it right. No chartered organizations...just groups of neighborhood families getting together to do the right thing for the kids...ALL kids.

I, too am now unable to edit. I used to be able to. Moderators???

For the record, I do not agree with the BSA policy on discrimination. I have not met many gay Cub Scouts (or adults for that matter) that I would call a threat to my, or anyone else's safety. Also for the record, I believe that sexual orientation and pedophilia are two separate issues. Like OGE, I would hope that all scouting functions are asexual, but also being realistic and the father of two young men (and I used to be a teenager myself with raging testosterone), I recognize that human beings are sexual in nature and things will happen in the natural course of growing up. Our challenge is to teach young people the ethics and morals necessary to control those urges, regardless of their orientation. I like the "local option" approach that others have advocated here. I think it is a shame that the BSA is willing to throw an entire Council under the bus lest their religious mega-sponsors get pissed off and withdraw support. Sorry for the non-PC verbage, but do I have it about right, Irving?

What a beautiful building that the Scouts built and paid for! That must mean that the land lease alone is $200K per year. I wonder how that stacks up to standard rates in the Phila area? Looks to me that the building is worth at least $10 million. I think the city should buy the building and the scouts can build elsewhere. Problem solved. 800 inner city kids denied Scouting. I'm sure Jesse and Al will be there shortly demonstrating in the streets.

"What are the ATM fees up to these days? Having to pay money just to get our own money back from the bank!" No offense to the Beav, but I keep hearing this whine, and I don't understand it. I am a member of a federal credit union. Use of their ATMs are free to members. Only if I want to use the ATM of a bank of which I am not a member/customer do I get charged a fee. I feel this is a reasonable price to pay for the convenience of not having to drive 20 miles to my own credit union. It is even more of a convenience when I am out of town. Why do people expect a bank to provide them a free service? If it's not YOUR bank, it's not YOUR money. They are loaning you theirs until they can get it from YOUR bank. I do know of a bank that charges fees for everything...every check you write, every teller transaction, every savings deposit. I choose not to bless them with my business. In this area, public transportation is non-existent. You can't even get a Taxi unless you call and make an appointment. It would take me 2 hours to get to work by bus, and I would still need a car to get me to the closest bus stop (park-n-ride). I can drive myself in 30 minutes, and my employer provides a free attached parking garage, so I don't even have to go out in the weather. I am free to leave work when I want, without being tied to a schedule. They are trying to get a "light rail" system started, but it would only be one straight line ... 98% of the population do NOT live within walking distance of a station. I guess you gotta start somewhere. If we had a system like the DC Metro, I would use it all the time.

Let me say this with kindness...determining which sources are "credible" is NOT your business and will land you in hot water. You do not have that authority. Your job is to discuss the YP matter with your SE (no one else at Council...just the SE) and turn it over to him/her. If the lady is indeed a crack-pot, the SE probably already knows her.

It''s a well known fact that if you ask a group for volunteers, most will sit on their hands and remain silent. You need to decide what''s an acceptable number for YOU to be comfortable. Then notify the Cubmaster what your limit is. It''s his/her job to then organize (or re-organize) the dens and find new leaders. I agree, 13 is unreasonable, and for the life of me, I don''t understand this new trend toward "mega-dens". Yes, you need more parent volunteers, but that''s the way the program is designed.

The COR is an ex officio member of the District Committee. They are the ONLY ones who have a say representing your CO and Unit at the District and Council levels. That''s a pretty important job, if you ask me.

Thanks and good luck, Pint! In the US, girls can only join Venture Crews (age 14-21). Sleeping arrangements must be separate and a female adult advisor must be present on all outings.

"Is sexual behavior automatically disqualifying?" I am here to say "no". I have related the story of a young man who proudly admitted to the EBOR that he had fathered a child out of wedlock (which of course brought up the "morally straight" question). He appealed to District and was awarded the Eagle. Many on this forum had no problem with that. So, fornication with a girl is ok...fornication with other boys is not. I think the answer is to present the issue to your CO. They own the unit. If they choose to pursue it, it''s between them, the boy and the BSA. The BSA and the CO establish criteria for membership via the charter contract...not the individual unit leadership. If he has posted such a web page, even if it''s not true, it is un-scoutlike behavior that should not go unanswered.

Congratulations! This is an achievement you will carry with you the rest of your life.