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@LeschFamily  welcome to scouter.com

If it ain't broke...I'd say you are delivering the Promise of Scouting.

Well done.

@NJCubScouter .  Yes back in the 60's, the 11 year old age requirement  made the crossover a bridge to nowhere for some.

Our crossovers were at the Feb, Blue and Gold. Since I would not be 11 for months, my destination troop was not there.  My SM told me to stop in at the first meeting in Sept as the troop shut down for the summer baseball.

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The Blythe family has withdrawn their lawsuit against BSA.

During the meeting, the group “offered us resources that are available to help Logan earn the Eagle Scout award in a way that is possible for him,” according to a news release from the law firm.

“Since Logan now has a path to the Eagle Scout rank, there is no reason to pursue legal action,” the release states.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/04/04/utah-family-of-boy-with-down-syndrome-drops-discrimination-lawsuit-against-boy-scouts/

I have been puzzled that reports stated a merit badge issue impacted Council approving an Eagle Scout project or that his already awarded merit badges would be rescinded both plain wrong.  At first I thought the reports were wrong, his parents misunderstood, or Council miscommunicated but this seems to have been a bigger snafu.

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Both logos bother me. Why do you need a compass if you have the North Star? 

3 minutes ago, FireStone said:

Not sure I follow. I responded to your comment about the use of "marketing mind tricks like "bit dated" and "fresh look" without identifying who disliked the old logo and who was calling for a new one..." 

Sorry, I should have quoted  @CalicoPenn regarding the fleur-de-lis. I just wanted to clarify that the fleur-de-lis in those logos are not BSA brand property; they are public domain.

1 hour ago, FireStone said:

I don't think any mind tricks were necessary in this case. Side-by-side, the new logo seems like a pretty clear modernization to me.

Their old logo has "Boy Scout of America" , a brand name. Their new logo on right has no BSA branding on it.  A BSA fleur-de-lis requires further embellishment - an eagle, two stars,..as detailed in link below.

https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/310-0231.pdf

Reading North Star links which OP posted, the words “Northern Star Scouting” will become our tradename for everyday use, although we will still be Northern Star Council Boy Scouts of America for legal purposes.

http://www.northernstarbsa.org/refreshing-our-brand-for-scouting-today

http://www.northernstarbsa.org/our-logos-and-standards

Hmm, no BSA branding used, no BSA licensed patch and shirt shops needed,...I see National scrambling over this. It would not be the first time North Star bumped heads with National.  

All scouting is local and so their branding? 

If the BSA is content that patrols may no longer independently hike or camp as they once did with SM approval, then yes stand aside and allow the state to punish any parent, teacher, SM who would allow their kids into the woods, playground,  bicycle, or front yard unsupervised.

My $0.02

In Utah, by state law,  it will not be a crime for parents to let their children play unsupervised in a park or walk home from school alone. Utah is the first state in the nation to pass such a law.  A law to fill a void in common sense?

“The fact that we need legislation for what was once considered common sense parenting a generation ago and is considered normal in every other country in the world is what surprises me,” said Danielle Meitiv, the Silver Spring, Md., mother who made national headlines three years ago after she and her husband were charged with child neglect for letting their two children, ages 6 and 10, walk home from a park by themselves. “I’m glad Utah has put these protections in place after what I discovered when I tried to parent the way I was parented.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/well/family/utah-passes-free-range-parenting-law.html

Should the BSA be a proponent of a similar law in the other 49 states?

Thank you Ms. Meitiv.

12 hours ago, DuctTape said:

I have always found it odd that very few troops have as part of their culture each patrol member presenting themselves properly prepared for an outing except for the one and done requirement. I shouldn't be surprised since almost all of the requirements are what should be happening all the time and get signed off just whenever instead of the "let's do this requirement now, and then never do it again" culture I see in most troops. A patrol doing scouting will be doing almost all of the requirements on a regular basis including "present yourself to your patrol leader, prepared for an overnight camping trip", just as a matter of course. If not, then is the PL taking care of his boys by not ensuring they are prepared?

Our troop culture has been the SM asks the SPL whether the troop is ready to go? If the SPL was on his toes, he already told the patrols to line up and the PL's or himself performed a gear check.  If not, then the SPL had a "teaching moment" check of his gear by the SM or ASM in front of the troop before proceeding with troop inspection.  

Parents know not to leave until the gear check is completed as some "sneakered" scouts are going home.

Less latitude in cold, bad weather outings.

My $0.02,

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4 hours ago, David CO said:

The statute of limitations may have expired, but a lot of people don't want us to talk about how things were in the old days. This is particularly true if some of those activities or practices would be seen as youth protection violations today. 

 

 

Maybe if I just leave out the fun, adventurous parts of the old days, I will be okay?

39 minutes ago, Oldscout448 said:

Last winter at our Klondike Derby I was visiting another Troop sitting around the campfire after dinner and one of the younger Scouts asked if I could tell stories of the old old days because I was the oldest person in Camp. Started to protest that I wasn't and then I realized that I was. Because everyone older, and wiser, than me had gone home to sleep in their warm bed instead of camping out in the snow.

Sometimes it's hard to remember how many years have gone by and I wonder if I can tell the stories of the egg and the big bull, or the gasoline and the burning Arrow,  or the out  of control covered wagon that  went crashing thru another troops campsite?  I mean its not as if we actually aimed  at the  scoutmasters tent!  ' We swore a solemn oath not to tell anyone but after almost half a century?  

 

A scout told me not to worry as the "statue of imitations" has expired.

Now back in the day, we challenged other troops to play Buck-Buck...

"Oh he is/ I am such a Boy Scout."

When I hear this, my mental reflex is to ask , "Oh so he/you were in scouts?" Often the answer is a disappointing no, make that annoying too.

So this morning, I read New York Mayor Bill de Blasio is answering questions about his campaign fundraising.  His wife used the Boy Scout defense.

The revelations in Central Islip federal court came hours after First Lady Chirlane McCray tried to blunt Nassau County Executive Ed Mangano, Harendra Singh Singh’s earlier, damning testimony by insisting that her hubby was “such a Boy Scout” that he’d never break the law.

“I am fortunate in that I married a Boy Scout,” McCray said with a laugh on the Gotham Gazette’s “Max & Murphy” podcast.

“He is such a Boy Scout. He didn’t do anything wrong. I know he didn’t do anything wrong. He knows he didn’t do anything wrong.”

A de Blasio spokesman Tuesday said the mayor was never an actual member of the Boy Scouts of America, but Hizzoner did call on the youth group to lift its ban on gay adult leaders shortly before it did so in 2015.

Now, I think the BSA needs to respond forthwith and hereto and... I see two options. Get Legal involved and obtain a cease and desist order on Ms. McCray from misrepresenting her husband as a Boy Scout.  Or, call a press conference (sure add some Girl Cub Scouts) with the Mayor, award him a Bobcat badge and then spin him. 

Meanwhile other outdoor teen adventure groups, e.g. AMC, Outward Bound fill their summer trek slots with waiting lists. Why? IMO, because those groups provide adult supervision as needed and even allow solo experiences.

Back in the day, each patrol needed only one adult who could take off 2-3 weeks for a bus trip to Philmont. We had a bus with 3 patrols and 4 adult leaders (one was a backup). We have been hard pressed to get 3 adults per patrol to take a quick week off for a plane trip to Philmont and when we do ...What I have to pay to volunteer!

And now family Philmont treks? 

My $0.02

Facebook?   Is that still around? 

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Hope this helps.

On 3/24/2018 at 12:57 PM, skeptic said:

It now occurs to me that I noted while doing research on my own unit for "lost" Eagles that we had a number of long time senior scouts with possibly the needed requirements, but who were not on any list from the period.  Two or three were carried on our charter throughout WWII, listed as "In Service" or similar wording.  Wonder if any of their records should be reexamined; though they are all gone now as far as I know.

But perhaps not forgotten. Finding "lost" Eagles might be an interesting service project.