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Overnight, Tony Williams, public information officer for the Rawlinsville Volunteer Fire Company :

gaining access little by little, but it is a slow process.

teen is conscious and communicating with rescuers

rescuers greatest concern at this time is the possibility of the teen getting hypothermia

Update: Resued after 7 hours.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/video/category/news/3812709-15-year-old-boy-rescued-from-lancaster-cave/

Over the years, the Maine Troop Greeters are most known for greeting returning troops when they land at their stopover airfield in Bangor, ME.  My understanding is that there are always Troop Greeters there whenever , day or night, a troop plane lands.

Girls and Boy Scout groups from around the state attended the first ever Annual Scout Day at the Maine Troop Greeters Museum in Bangor.

They also enjoyed a guided tour of the museum, took part in a Flag Folding Ceremony, and got to meet Miss Maine USA 2018 and former Girl Scout, and Army National Guard Sergeant, Marina Gray.

"We hope that they understand our philosophy and mission to thank the troops, to be thankful for what they do, and to really understand that everybody benefits from our Armed Forces, and it's good to say, "thank you," said Andrea Cross of the Maine Troop Greeters.

Check video at source link

http://www.wabi.tv/content/news/Maine-Troop-Greeters-Hold-First-Scout-Day-474390993.html

Scout has been trapped in cave since 5:30pm Saturday. The cave is off the 500 block of Bridge Valley Road in Martic Township.

More details in link.

http://6abc.com/boy-scout-trapped-in-cave-in-lancaster-county/3102346/

I'm confused. Is this just a misunderstanding?

Interesting to read about Temptations and how to use them towards our aims, BP mentions "motion pictures" and the "cinema place"  as his examples.

1 hour ago, Back Pack said:

Right. So the data is not definitive either way so both your argument and his is not proven by the data. 

You might want to change your obligatory upvote then.

My older son took a one day course which just focused on air travel. You can't run or hide in a plane.

1 minute ago, Back Pack said:

I know the scouts would know what to do since we have had this training in my school district for years. Students know what to do so the training should be for the parents. 

In school scenarios maybe,  scouting scenarios can be different.  Can't lock doors and cellphones may not work.

7 minutes ago, David CO said:

Yes and no. Training should be done, but BSA is not the one to do the training. This can't be done with a one hour, on-line training seminar. 

 

Agree. IMO, need professionals teaching in real life settings with interactive exercises. Some serious individual thought as to what it means to be Brave.

Police now advise/teach teachers and students to run, hide, fight. Should BSA add this training to YP?

@Urbanredneck   welcome to scouter.com

See something (and again many did beforehand even over internet), say something,...and then say it again...

Washington State Grandmother reports grandson

http://abcnews.go.com/US/grandmother-reports-grandson-school-shooting-plot-washington/story?id=53136502

1 minute ago, FireStone said:

I'm sure it happens. But I'd venture a guess that crime related to marijuana is probably lower than crime related to other drugs, and certainly to crime related to guns. 

Yes, opiods comes to mind.

@Eagledad ,  around here CM's and ACM's are more likely to cross-over into SM and ASM positions than Webelos DL's particularly those on their second tour or more.

Ok then, let's keep it Courteous and Kind. Thanks.

6 hours ago, David CO said:

The same is true of scouting. Boy scouting and cub scouting are two very different activities. Many boys who enjoy cub scouts will not join boy scouts. By making the last two years of cub scouts into a feeder program for the troops, are we doing a disservice to those boys who aren't going to carry over to boy scouts?

Good point. Webelos, back in the day (here he goes), was a shorter program perhaps for that reason, as was Cub Scouts.

A 5th grader Cub started his last year working on Lion (Wolf-Bear-Lion), at the end of the year you worked on Webelos/AOL for a short time. The requirements were learn the BOY SCOUT OATH and LAW, salute, hand sign, motto...  If Boy Scouts interested you, you joined a troop where you learned your Tenderfoot skills.

When you think about what preparation does an 11yr old need to join Boy Scouts? None, no experience required. Same is true for his adult leaders.

17 hours ago, skeptic said:

Interesting piece regarding some early historical records from the first course, including a copy of the schedule.  Many of us that took our WB under some semblance of that earlier course likely feel much of it is sorely lacking today.  Having taken it in 1981 or so, and then actually taught on the first edition of the 20th Century course, I am very aware of the differences.  There is some positive material in the current versions, but from my perspective, we miss out on a lot in the modern course.  It is like the difference between backpacking and car camping; you learn far more "responsibility" when you have to take care of yourself with what you carry.  You are more likely to be self-sufficient if you have regularly backpacked, especially some real long terms. In the case of WB, learning and "using" basic core skills is far superior to just having them given to you on paper or in books as references.  Still, the modern course does have some benefit, particularly if the course staff sort of add in a few things along the lines of what was just noted.

I have wondered why OA was not purposed with teaching the old Wood Badge course. Sort of full circle, OA promotes Scout camping so why not Arrowmen teach new adult leaders?

I have answered all your questions as best as  I can. 

9 minutes ago, Col. Flagg said:

You are answering your own questions. How about you stay focused on what *I* asked.

How is this any better than a cell phone or sat phone? Answer: It isn't because it does not provide any greater ACCESS to the lost party. THAT was my point. You are providing to answers to questions you asked but are not germane to the point under contention.

How is this any better than a cell phone or sat phone?  It provides more intel, giving rescuers more situational awareness to commit proper resources in a smarter way.

I guess we agree to disagree.

4 minutes ago, Col. Flagg said:

Meh...and how exactly will it communicate that data to SAR teams? You have to FIND them first. 

Unless you are aware of some new way to cover the back country with network coverage -- which every wireless and telco would LOVE to have -- you are making a moot point.

I will make this simple: How will this device find a network -- by which it can tell SAR teams where someone is -- any better than a cell or satellite device?

Let's stay focused. We were given a working cellphone and cellphone network at the start of this discussion. 

Who initiates the distress call, is it the hiker? What if he is incapacitated? What if he is dead?  Say the hiker has medical IoT sensors in his clothing to chain medical data via a working phone whether the user is conscious or not.   So data is returned and shared, the hiker is at this location and has this pulse, temp, BP,  respiration rate or he does not (He's dead Jim).  The weather is getting worse,  do you dispatch a SAR team ASAP or do you wait until the weather clears and send a Recovery team? 

The recent Mt. Hood rescue comes to mind. 

Depending on what IoT sensors in use, it can give you intel beyond just the location so your response is more appropriate (smarter).

1 hour ago, Col. Flagg said:

So enlighten me. How exactly does the Ethereum blockchain and mercury protocol communicate with a device in the back-country different from a cell phone or a sat-nav device? I'd love to learn more.

See the links I provided above as a start.  Look at this tech as adding more functionality to current phones, etc. For example, medical vitals data (from clothing sensors) is added to the chain so rescuers can respond accordingly.  If real-time is not available, then last known chain data could be useful. My understanding is blockchain data can be shared more readily for alerts to those nearby and family.

Would I buy LLbean clothing with their stated purposed IoT sensors? No.

I guess we agree to disagree again.

27 minutes ago, Col. Flagg said:

Guys, you are missing the point of what blockchain data is, how it is stored, mined and used. Here's a decent primer on it. It can't be used for real-time SAR activities any more than a phone can.

 

Huh? GPS blockchain systems and devices already exist.  SAR has been finding lost hikers via the hiker's smart phones for some time.

https://www.coaspire.com/blockchain/

https://futurefive.co.nz/story/g-me-launches-blockchain-backed-gps-device/

39 minutes ago, FireStone said:

I think we're way off topic at this point, but on the subject of advancement...

Thanks for bringing to my attention. As you can see posts have been moved to this new topic.

RS