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Well, clearly our readership has not expanded to the folks who let half (maybe all?) of these start: https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/2016/fires-blazing-across-the-southern-united-states

Thanks moderator. Although I disagree. Some of us are bracing for the flack (or inordinate syrupy praise) we might get if the president (this one or the next) actually takes our unit up on our invite to camp with us in an undisclosed location. Negotiating partisan parents and respecting a private party's desire for goodwill is a social, not political matter.

Pre-requisite for learning to make British sausage?

@@Stosh, BSA registration of MBC's is fairly new. So why should the past decade of counselors count when previous decades (that's a lot of stars, BTW) do not? The whole thing's a sham. That's why I never bothered to have units participate. Individuals know their own track record. They can order their own pins.

I don't know where you live, CP, but 'round here they are all at half mast when need be. I've seen the service workers, saluting as they raise/lower them. Of course, the National Flag Foundation in the same building as council HQ, prominently overlooking the city, may help.

@onetallmama,I may have come off a little shallow, in my initial reply. It is likely a testament to your troop that this girl esteems yours so highly. Either you are willing to plan activities other moms are not, or your girls are especially friendly and welcoming. Either way, that is something on which you should capitalize and grow. And, unless you really do have physical space issues, see this as an opportunity for you and your girls (and the moms who are most willing to be your sidekicks). The one thing this forum as to offer for your situation is boatloads of advice on how to make a big group validate the growth and leadership of each member via the patrol method (see the sub-forum for a plethora of topics on this). We take it seriously because our task usually starts with at least a dozen boys and very few adults. But, the concept is certainly not foreign to girl scouts. Search "girl scouts patrol system" for several pointers by GS/USA leaders on how they make it work for their troops. So, sure you could give the organization some "push back". But, you might rather consider if you and the girls will reap better rewards if you "push forward" with the hand you've been dealt.

Well, you're not gonna get much sympathy here. On average, BSA units number in the 20s and some exceed 100. There's always room for one more, limited only by the fire codes of your meeting place.

We'll I figure you have probably already done whatever a fella would need to do for Eagle anyway, so you're something more than Life in rank. There are folks who do more for scouting in unofficial capacities. (I hope so, because all of these training requirements and increased fees have led to plummeting roles.) But, they probably aren't suckers for those stars.

Wow, NJ, just wow. The OP expressly asked (baiting us a little, to be sure) if scouts may honor a national holiday on the property of a business. The OP's committee (or some adults in his/her troop) are characterized as using BSA regs as a pretense to object to what, in their region, might be politically incorrect action. The perceived "incorrect action" was not sticking around for some rally, it was showing up in uniform to raise a flag and salute some vets on private property ... property of a business owner who is clearly using patriotism to garner goodwill in the face of known detractors. He/she specifically intended to consider the event as an opportunity to acquire service hours. Thus the replies regarding it. And, frankly, not a bad aspect of this discussion, although probably not feedback the OP originally expected. Part of whats going on her are adult machinations pure and simple. Youth consensus does not seem to be in the picture. All items up for grabs. And each generates a different sentiment in different parts of this great land. It's good to hear replies from different parts.

Condolences. And prayers to his family and fellow hikers.

Lot's of answers here: http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/04/02/service-stars-for-scouts-and-scouters-pins-with-a-point/ But questions similar to yours (e.g. time spent in another country's scouting unit) went unanswered. The working assumption is that registration is used to count years. I suspect if you called your council HQ, and talked to more than one experienced professional scouter, you would get more than one answer. The likely answer: it's your unit's decision. But, if he gets word that you all are spending a lick of time fussing over this, I'd suspect you all will be seeing some stars! Eagles are most proud of their silver knot. Get that right for him, and you're golden. With that in mind, give him the stars for his time registered, and let him know you'll put a call in asking if you can add the years he was volunteering "off the books."

Drove by a CFA yesterday. They had a pretty impressive flag. So, if every store has one, this is part of their corporate investment in goodwill. (If anyone has stock, read the footnotes.) I don't think that changes my opinion much. We need our adults to be above board with our boys. If they don't trust the patriotism of some business or party, spell that out. Let the boys sort through the ethics of their actions. Don't fake that their reservations are about BSA regs.

Sorry. I don't mean to accuse anyone in particular of social activism. Or to minimize the cultural divides that set citizens at odds with one another. I do mean to challenge the notion that we are obliged to cow-tow to guilt by association when it comes to social issues.

I read the source article in full this morning. To be clear, the effect amounts to a two point increase on a 100 point questionnaire. That means something to folks thinking about social programs and at-risk services. But not so much to folks in one neighborhood trying to figure out what volunteer program they can put on for their kids. Not at all to a school psychologist trying to decide which kid will develop the next anxiety disorder. That said, I do have a colleague who has been working on exposure therapies via some structured outdoor experiences ...

@@NJCubScouter, so CF should have it's image sullied (by boys in uniform abstaining from it) because its CEO's on occasion voiced opinions that Target did not? Isn't that precisely the political activism that we want the boys to avoid? @@witch359, some pointers: If your boys wanted to participate here, they (SPL or designated PL) should have contacted the restaurant. I wouldn't count it as service hours if they weren't involved in every aspect of the event. The committee's job is to support the mission of the troop (which largely is defined by the boys), not to impede it. I have told mine on occasion to back off of my youth. The onus is on the adults to show where it is explicitly written that scouts in uniform cannot help a business in honoring the many veterans who may have worked or there or patronized them or simply meant a lot to them. Lacking written policies. You may let the boys know that there are concerns raised by activist adults and leave it up to the boys to decide how to honor them. If it's a written apology to the business to cancel plans or an apology to the concerned adults for sticking to them, the boys time composing the letter should count for service hours -- if the boys need you to count them. P.S. - I hate to high heaven when anyone does anything "for service hours", but it's nothing personal. (Considering we just "met". and welcome to the forums, BTW.) So please take that last point with a full dose of sarcasm toward BSA and none toward your good intentions. P.P.S. - The flagpole is a public place. Presumably welcome by the business to all citizens of and visitors to your great state. P.P.P.S - I was really hoping it was a Hooters, or a biker bar.

I still remember unwrapping that Christmas present from my Aunt: my first Cub Scout uniform! Clearly I had been in the pack for several months before then. But getting one is 1/10th the battle ... That and my baseball uniform were the only sets of clothes that I made sure were hung together and ready to go for the next meeting. I would beg and beg committee members to check my sons' socks in boards of review and suspend the board until the boy finds them and wears them with every other uniform element at the next possible time to reconvene. They insisted "Not gonna do it. Your kids are awesome" Folks just don't have standards anymore.

The signs our scouts bought were too big to bring to a meeting. (Okay. It was one scout. One sign. Single syllable. And he never tried to bring it to a meeting, just sneak it into random friends' yards for an evening.) With venturers, politics are never off the table. But, usually I muzzle anyone's blind rage with things like "Watch the debate."/"Read their platforms. (And any invited articles to Foreign Policy or The Congressional Record they may have written)"/"Highlight what you like/dislike." I then finish with ... "Once you've done that, come back and talk."

I'll talk to my crew about preparing an invite for him to come camp with us. I think Laurel-Highlands Council's decade of "amicable" mergers will impress him.

First step: call the headquarters of each council around where your grandfather grew up. Explain what you're doing and ask them how far back their archives go. Ask if they have anyone who keeps track of scouting history in their area. Good luck. It will take some gumshoe, but should be lots of fun.

So, no matter how you slice it ... on your 5th decade of blue and gold. Here's to five more!

@@Melgamatic, sounds like you did due diligence bringing up the issue with the adult. To continue his membership in the organization, the venturer will be required to take youth protection once he turns 18. If he is anywhere near his birthday, you may want to ask him to do so. That way, without harping on the specific situation, everyone gets put "on notice." Welcome to boots-on-the-ground reality. We all draw different lines between our personal lives and our scouting lives. And this certainly becomes the case with these older scouts ... many of whom worm their way into our families because we have proven to be trustworthy. Venturing certainly can make this even more complex. Many of these youth have small business (yard work, house sitting, small automotive) that rely on one-on-one contact with adults for most transactions. What becomes hard-and-fast for younger scouts, begins to blur for older ones.

Thanks. New Scientist has a reputation for loading funny depending on the connection. Got the source article: http://jech.bmj.com/content/early/2016/10/05/jech-2016-207898.full.pdf+html(access may vary). Retrospective surveys are fraught with limitations, which the authors list in technical detail. Those aside, probably the greatest challenge is to know if the program of today will work on youth the same way that the program in the seventies seems to have done for these 50-year-olds. I do see the young adults I know deploying their scout skills (if they've gained them) to great effect.

Good point.Generally, in units with a sense of rugged individualism, I've seen UC can be a problematic position, followed by COR.

I would not split hairs over the regulations. The boy is a special case. If the boys in the den have already formed these attachments, don't break them over something like this. Work with the individuals and evaluate the next bridge with the parents when you come to it.

Or, maybe you all we doing a terrible job recruiting the crazies. Sorry, reversing causality is my bread and butter. I haven't been able to load the article, but look forward to reading it. Seriously, though, the last two suicides in our small school district were of boys who were friends with, but not members of, our venturing crew. It left me wondering if I had made an effort, would they have had that one more resource they would have needed to fit back the demons.