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  1. Check out the camp program and property guide. It has some info on the jobs and duties of key camp personel, including the commissioner. I know in my experience the commissioner usually is responsible for: Scoutmaster's meetings campsite inspections assisting in arranging for equipment and supplies for all units arranging service projects for units with camp ranger troop check in and check out procedures be the first stop for leaders with questions or issues assist the program director with camp fires, flag ceremonies, special activities, etc provide information to units
  2. Almost all National Camp School training for Boy Scout resident camp staff is one week long. Training is done at several places on several sets of dates each year by each region. It should be noted the cost of each session is at least $300, perhaps more depending on when, where, and what classes (shooting sports is a good bit more, for example). All of the information you need is contained in a handful of publications (OK, think really big three ring binder filled to bursting...) I think my NCS materials are out in the trunk of my car right now, otherwise I would give you exact nam
  3. You wouldn't by any chance by from the Buffalo Trace Council and be reffering to the Old Ben Scout Reservation, would you? I would encourage you to consider all of your available options. There are many fine Scout camps all over the country. Some have great facilities, some have great programs, some have great staffs, and a very rare few have all three. On the issue of running your own all volunteer summer camp: I imagine it would be possible for troops to get together and find enough good people to offer programs and classes of all sorts. The problem is going to be finding all
  4. I am going to go out on a limb and say that supporting Cub Scouting is not a critical mission of the OA. Is it a nice thing to do when practical? Sure. Is it necessary? No. If you look at the purpose of the OA you will see that it doesn't really have much of anything to do with many of the new initiatives being sent down from on high. While these programs are all great ideas, they don't all work well on a nation wide basis. I think what often happens with OA is some idea that has been made to work in one lodge is made into a national initiative without first finding out if it can be
  5. Let me suggest something no one else has: Many Scouters don't know how to say "No" when asked to do something. When asked to do something we instinctively say "yes" because it is the helpful... thing to do. I know I have a hard time saying "no" amd I usually feel guilty about it when I do. It would almost be easier to quit entirely than say "no" to specific things. Generally this causes people to become involved in things they don't want to do, don't believe they are qualified for, or simply don't have the time and resources to do. This is especially true when asked to d
  6. Does anyone know what would happen if an ASM from a unit was a member of an Eagle BOR for that unit? I can't see requiring the Scout to complete a second BOR, that seems unfair (unless there is reason to belive it was done as part of some sort of conspiracy to influence the board). I also can't see faulting the ASM, particularly if they were invited to sit on the board by the District Advancement Chairman (as is the norm in my council). It seems the fault should be placed on the district/council for not ensuring that they had trained and knowledgeable volunteers in key roles and
  7. Yikes! That is horrible! To my knowledge, nothing like that goes on in the troop I belong to. However, I could be wrong. I do witness on a regular basis what happens in a unit with zero trained leaders that is run by a bunch of very good people with very little understanding of Scouting. It isn't real pretty, but it beats the heck out of what you described.
  8. I don't really know quite what holidays have to do with this... but I guess if we can use the issue to beat someone we don't like over the head with it doesn't really matter if it makes any sense or not. (Ed my in fact have a point, but I have not yet seen evidence of it. Or perahps this has something to do with something on some other thread I did not read. In any case, simply because I have not seen evidence of Ed having a point as to the Christmas holiday thing, I don't doubt that he could in fact have one.) As to charter organizations or leaders lying to the BSA, or anyone else, a
  9. NOAC information packets should be arriving in council offices any day now... In the mean time some prelimary information I have recieved may be of interest to you all. While I don't have any special insider sources, this is what has trickled down through the system. Conference fee for NOAC 2006 will be $345, $10 more than last time. Lodges will be given a larger number of slots. Most NOACs have about 7,000 Arrowmen. 2006 slots will be based on 10,000. The university has room for 17,000 if need be. If you have more people than slots, request more and you will likely get the
  10. I am really wondering about how exactly that statistic was developed. I don't doubt that the number of people who are faced with hunger or the possibility of hunger is in the millions in this country, but 13% seems a bit high. That is one out of every eight people. That means one member of every ideal 8 person patrol is threatend by hunger. That means 3 students out of an average elementary school class are threatened by hunger. 13% or one in eight people, is not in any way acceptable. I certainly hope that statistic is high. If not then we have some extremely serious problems.
  11. I never really gave this any thought before. Has anyone checked the new version of the Guide to Inductions? It can be found at www.oa-bsa.org if anyone wants to try to find any guidance. I have not yet read the current version of the Guide to Inductions, and I do not recall anything on the subject being in the previous edition, or in the Guide for Officers and Advisors. Everywhere I have ever been to a ceremony those who came to watch sat if there was seating available, and stood if there was not. Most of the ceremony sites I have visited included seating of some form in the desig
  12. I must have misread this post. I thought we were looking for a solution for the original poster, who says he is a chapter advisor. That would make him at least 21, and in fact it would also make him a member of the district's camping committee (though perhaps not registered as such). Now if we need an option for a youth... find another unit, try that college reserve thing, or go the lone scout route.
  13. You could always seek registration through your District. I would ask the District Chairman if I could be registered through the district, as part of the district camping committee. That should work out OK.
  14. Wearing all camo and not carrying proper, easily reached, signaling devices in the back country is highly irresponsible. You should certainly carry both a bright colored item and something reflective to use to get attention if needed. Also, you should probably carry something that would enable you to make noise even if unable to speak for some reason. alki, Could you tell me a bit more about your new camping idea? It sounds interesting.
  15. Actually, the camping requirement can be waved by the Scout Executive for District and Council nominees under certain circumstances. Also, to be unusually technical, adults should only be nominated in their primary registered capacity. That is to say that if their primary registration is with a unit, only that unit should nominate that adult. If their primary registration is with the District/Council then they are eligible for nomination at that level. Finally, Philmont is not in fact a Boy Scout Resident Camp, therefore it does not fill the long term camping part of the requirem
  16. It should also be noted some councils prefer a form other than the blue card for all merit badges. I know Greater St. Louis Area Council uses the "White Card" and the Tall Pines Council uses some sort of green sheet. What you need to make sure of is that you have documentation of what requirements were completed, when they were completed, and who signed off on them. A record of that sort should be kept by the unit and the Scout. It doesn't really matter if it is a computer print out, a carbon copy form, or a blue card. As long as it has essentially the same information as a blue
  17. While such things as an 18 year old and say a 14 or 15 year old engaging in inappropriate activity during Scouting functions is rare, it can and does happen. The mere possibility is not reason enough to prevent co-ed activity, but it is a significant risk that must be properly managed. Merely providing co-ed adult leadership doesn't even come close to addressing this issue. Basically the key element is very careful adult supervision. Unfortunately, as some recent tragic incidents have shown, adult supervision is not always on the level required. While I think the Venturing system
  18. As for what Exploring or the Explorer Scouts or any of the other older boy programs may have done in the past that is not relevant to the current day Venturing program for two reasons: 1. Exploring is now part of Learning for Life, and is no longer a BSA program. 2. Venturing is not the same as the Exploring of old, in terms of its purpose, program, or membership Now on to that co-ed scouting issue in general. Boys and girls are not the same. There physical, mental, and psychological development takes place in different ways and at different times. Therefore a program optimized for
  19. Now the Alamo was that thing the Spanish blew up down in Cuba that started war with Mexico right... "Down with the Alamo, to hell with Mexico!" Hold it... something about that isn't quite right....
  20. The call-out is something that the lodge has authority over. If the lodge wishes it can grant a unit permission to hold its own call-out. However, it would be proper to seek permission before doing this. Part of the reason for doing this is to make certain the lodge is aware of who these candidates are and that they have been called out. Lodges need to know these things. Just to illustrate the point, as of this year, due to OA Operations Update 05-05 a troop going out of council must now have permission from the home lodge to have the out of council lodge do a call out at camp. To be
  21. As a current Lodge Advisor let me share my thoughts on this matter. First and foremost there is no "blood oath" in OA. In fact there is no "oath" at all. The only Oath for the OA is the same as for everyone else in Scouting, the Scout Oath. On the other hand the Freemasons do, so rumors have it, take a blood oath. Since OA borrowed a few things from the Masons, I suppose it would be possible to think that was one of the things, but it most certainly is not. Next, as to what you should or should not say about the Ordeal, I would suggest keeping it a mystery. Mystery is one of
  22. Can someone please tell me what part of an OA ceremony is talking about some sort of pagan spirit? I taken the part of all four principles at one time or another. I have also been a part of all of the ceremonies provided by national. Now what some lodge may do at a call out I can't speak to. In my experience there is nothing inconsistent with Christianity in the ceremonies of the OA. Recall the OA ceremonies were written by a Christian man who at other times in his life was a church youth minister, wrote Christian hymns, and even preached from many pulpits. The ceremonies of old actually
  23. Webelos in tan shirt and green pants/shorts should wear the blue loops. Now another question- Can silver or gold loops be worn on the Venturing green shirt?
  24. So if the "activity uniform" is not in fact a uniform, why do we call it by that name? If it is a uniform then it would seem the salute would be proper, just as a salute is proper for a soldier in mess dress, dress blues, class A, class B, or BDU. Of coarse, that is just my humble opinion. Also, I happen to be a member of the "it is OK to wear hats inside" croud... but then BSA caved on that one as well a while back, so I generally don't, just because if you do somebody will get up in your face about it. Heck I once saw a Camp Commissioner and a Scoutmaster nearly get into a
  25. The MB sash is intended for wear at more formal occasions like Courts of Honor or Boards of Review. Wearing it during a skit is not what it is intended for. If you happen to wear your sash to a campfire, simply take it off before participating in a skit. When worn over the shoulder it is very easy to remove the sash and then put it back on again if needed.
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