NE-IV-88-Beaver

sheldonsmom, The current curriculum is designed for Boy Scouts and Venturing both. One of the main problems is making the lectures and examples relevant to both groups.

The new procedure is that even if you do an "in-person" YPT course, the trainees must go on-line and take the test to complete the training. As a facilitator myself, I think the "in-person" is much better because the presentation information can be tailored to your state, county, etc. laws as well as the BSA requirements and provide a question and answer period. But I have to ask myself, who is going to sit through an hour and a half presentation when they still have to go on-line to finish the course and be certified. Not many! Just do the 25 - 30 minutes on-line and be done with it! I t

It's a National thing!!

"What if you went to a troop and they didn't allow a 20 year old, highly qualified in child psychology, camping skills, physical fitness, knot tying, citizenship, etc. skills be a Scoutmaster? Would you walk?" Wouldn't they be following BSA rules that a Scoutmaster needs to be 21 years of age/ How could the CO be faulted for that?

Controversies such as this can make a Scout drop out as well! But perhaps nwasness handled it better the whole situation better than some of the posters here seem to be able to. Yeese! Such drama! It's simple - the CO has a policy, which they are allowed to under BSA rules, which restricts the inclusion of women in Scouting activities; accept it or find a new troop. This is not the only such troop and doesn't deserve the labels that are being applied to it. Why must some posters always stoop to that level?

Great post on how boy-lead can work if given the chance! Could you post periodic updates on how your troop is doing? I think that it might be an interesting lesson for all of us to see how well a boy-lead group functions even though this group was established with a short term focus. They don't have a lot of time to get themselves up to speed before they're going live, putting their plan into action. Stosh, you should be commended for the way that you brought this about. Three big howls!!

OGE, Wear 'em with pride and don't worry about it! I wear my doodads and on occasion, it can start some interesting conversations. I was honored to receive the Silver Beaver over twelve years ago. Certainly didn't campaign for it; in my district and council, that's a pretty sure way not to get recognized. I didn't say, "Well, I'm done, there's nothing else to get!" Being in it for the boys, it hasn't slowed down my involvement either. I can only think of a few individuals over the last thirty years that I thought were in it for what they could get out of it and not for the boys. The

People were being turned down for using CPAP machines. You had the opportunity to resubmit your medicals stating that your machines were battery-operated. This seems a little strange to me since battery-operated means that they will need to be recharged on a regular basis which, in effect, is the same as directly operating on electric. In my small circle, I know of three people that this happened to.

The simplest thing to do is to toss the the problem in your council's lap. Do they have a problem with the publicity? Has there been any guidance from them? If you feel that he has been deceitful and had giving BSA a problem as a goal all along, don't recognize him as an Eagle Scout within your troop. If you maintain an eagle Honor Roll plaque, don't include him. There is little else that you can do!

Scoutnet should not let the younger son be registered or record any advancement if his age is accurately input. What others rules will this Den Leader decide don't apply to his family as he goes along? How will he enforce rules for other members of his den when they confront him with, "Well, your sons don't have to follow the rules!" Seems like a bad situation from the start and one that will only continue to get worse, if not nipped in the bud!

Make them the Roadkill Squirrels and forget about it!! A flattened squirrel on the patch solves all of your problems................(This message has been edited by NE-IV-88-Beaver)

"All it means is that the boy has fulfilled a set of requirements by which he is measured both objectively and subjectively and had attained a rank in the scouting program." Why has Eagle lost some of it's prestige? It has to be awarded to anyone who completes a check list of "do" items - the "objectively" side. The "be" side is where the "subjectively" used to be and where the biggest changes have been made in today's Scouting program. National advancement policy changes are taking away the ability to "measure subjectively". Look at the current definition of active - just being

OGE, Is there a subliminal message in your post? Your message isn't quite as clear as the other posts!

I'm using a Sullivan Series V CPAP machine having logged over 16,000 hours on it. While camping, I am currently plugging my machine into a Diehard Portable Power 1150A system but that only gets me two nights at best. This became a real issue with Jamboree staff registration this year. Anyone who had a CPAP listed on their medical got rejected unless they resubmitted their form with a notation that their CPAP was battery-powered. I'm supposed to be there from July 21st to August 5th, a total of fifteen nights. I couldn't find any system that could give me any where near that length of bat

Basementdweller, I'm curious about your power system for your CPAP machine. This became a real issue with Jamboree staff registration this year. While camping, I am currently plugging my machine into a Diehard Portable Power 1150A but that only gets me two nights.

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"The Advancement method is one of the carrots the BSA uses to get boys involved and retain them. I know this is a purely hypothetical discussion, but I think that it would be a mistake to deprecate Eagle as it would result in negative publicity and have a long-term impact on both recruiting both youth and adults." That being the case, why does BSA (meaning National) find some logic,often misguided, to award the Eagle rank to all who appeal being turned down for same by their troop, district and council. This, in my mind, belittles (deprecates) the award and does result in negative publici

markrvp, Does this Scout happen to be your son?

Good question! What is your position in this? You are getting suggestions based on you being the Wolf den leader but your user name translates out to you possibly being the Cub Pack Committee Chairperson. That difference in position lays out different responsibilities. If you are the Committee Chair, you definitely need to be looking towards removing this father/den leader at the end of this program year. Aside from the problems being generated by what he has been doing with his younger son, how can he be an effective leader when he doesn't attend leader meetings, barely attends pack nights, a

OGE, Please take note that the Red Beret has again been besmirched! Even dorkier than the collarless shirt??? Some people just don't understand fashionable! I'm with you, OGE.

Eagle92, In your scenario, I don't have a problem at all with that being considered for the award. It sounds like all of the personnel and procedures were in place to qualify. I think that it is incumbent on the unit to get a ruling from their district or council as to whether or not an event would meet the requirements for the Outdoor Activity Award,rather than have each pack decide on their own or to ask for a ruling from the posters on Scouting.com Forums. Referring back to one of your earlier posts, there is nothing wrong with the OP's Tigers in question here waiting until t

Basementdweller, I'm with you all the way. Why not short cut all of the requirements and go ahead and give the Tigers their Arrow of Light? We know that they'll eventually complete all of the requirements, possibly, and that would give them more time to enjoy the "bling". This topic was broached to me by my daughter as some in their den were complaining that only two boys (who actually attended camp) had received the award. After researching the topic, I sent her the following reply: Daughter - In my opinion, awarding the Cub Scout Outdoor Activity Award for attending the XXXXX

Well they did increase the rechartering fee by 50% this year!

Scoutfish, "At that point, all the adult leaders and scouts are on their own. The CO dumped them and gave up ownership of the unit.Once you abandon something..it's no longer yours nor does it have any obligation to you! At the very least...when the CO told the scouts that they were no longer useful to the CO.... the scouts do not have to take the CO's feelings, wants or cares into consideration." That would be all well and good,....... except the CO owns the unit. They own the unit and all it's assets - equipment and finances. Unit leaders adopting your attitude could quickly fa

Scouterclaude, What they apparently are doing is let the local councils decide what constitutes "home base". And if you think getting an answer out of your council is difficult, you don't even want to tackle the nightmare that it is trying to get one out of National. Not making a decision is one of the biggest decisions that they seem to be able to make. What does your District Executive say is the policy on local tour permits in your council? That's the guidance I would follow until his successor tells you something different!